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| Quote ="Front Row Grizzly"As a very concerned Bulls supporter I've been reading with huge interest over the last 3 months.
Bulls4champs - You appear to be asking an interesting question but can you clarify -
Are you making reference to an enquiry going back only five years?
Are you asking why it doesnt go back further?
Where have you got the idea it would only go back 5 yrs?
When you put OK are you suggesting Omar is now asking for an enquiry?
I suggest from what has been posted already that Nestegg might be the ones to ask. You might want to wait for them to respond. They do seem to have at least a little finger on the pulse.'"
No, OK is a typing error. It meant to say folk, but it came out wrong.
What I am asking is this. Why are some folk asking for a inquiry for the past 5 years, as I have seen of social media?
I am wandering if they should be asking from further back? |
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| Quote ="Bulls4Champs"No, OK is a typing error. It meant to say folk, but it came out wrong.
What I am asking is this. Why are some folk asking for a inquiry for the past 5 years, as I have seen of social media?
I am wandering if they should be asking from further back?'"
We don't go on conventional social media platforms mate, but we can make two points re the above:
1) Any inquiry needs to go back to say mid 2011 - a few months prior to when Nigel Wood and his allegedly dodgy RFL buddy, Richard 'Posh Boy' Lewis, elected to buy the Odsal head lease off Hood 'for the good of the game'. Shortly after the head lease re-assignment the RFL said to the BBC on 24 January 2012, and we quote:
=#4000BF[i"This arrangement is absolutely the right thing to do because it safeguards the future of one of the sport's most famous stadia," [size=85and[/size
"Odsal is famous throughout the world. It would be a tragedy were the venue to be lost to the sport in the way that other evocative rugby league venues have already been lost." [/i
So eight years later where are we? The stadium has been (allegedly purposefully) run into the ground by the RFL. The South Bank stadium is apparently on the point of collapse. The key head lease clause requiring RL to be played at Odsal was rendered null and void in late Spring 2019, and shortly thereafter it is no coincidence that the Bulls left Odsal (and Bradford) based on largely fictitious reasons. All this whilst the Council's CE - Kersten England ([i[size=85from Scotland[/size[/i) - in recent times sat back and sipped complimentary drinks etc in the crumbling South Bank.
It is we allege a disgrace.
2) In any event as said previously any inquiry will in all likelihood be a long drawn out whitewash. A more direct approach to meaningfully address the Bulls fans many legitimate grievances re Odsal etc is required. In doing so a positive, truly independent and fair outcome should materialise. Watch this space. |
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| Quote ="nestegg"We don't go on conventional social media platforms mate, but we can make two points re the above:
1) Any inquiry needs to go back to say mid 2011 - a few months prior to when Nigel Wood and his allegedly dodgy RFL buddy, Richard 'Posh Boy' Lewis, elected to buy the Odsal head lease off Hood 'for the good of the game'. Shortly after the head lease re-assignment the RFL said to the BBC on 24 January 2012, and we quote:
=#4000BF[i"This arrangement is absolutely the right thing to do because it safeguards the future of one of the sport's most famous stadia," [size=85and[/size
"Odsal is famous throughout the world. It would be a tragedy were the venue to be lost to the sport in the way that other evocative rugby league venues have already been lost." [/i
So eight years later where are we? The stadium has been (allegedly purposefully) run into the ground by the RFL. The South Bank stadium is apparently on the point of collapse. The key head lease clause requiring RL to be played at Odsal was rendered null and void in late Spring 2019, and shortly thereafter it is no coincidence that the Bulls left Odsal (and Bradford) based on largely fictitious reasons. All this whilst the Council's CE - Kersten England ([i[size=85from Scotland[/size[/i) - in recent times sat back and sipped complimentary drinks etc in the crumbling South Bank.
It is we allege a disgrace.
2) In any event as said previously any inquiry will in all likelihood be a long drawn out whitewash. A more direct approach to meaningfully address the Bulls fans many legitimate grievances re Odsal etc is required. In doing so a positive, truly independent and fair outcome should materialise. Watch this space.'"
So effectively, we need to allow full retribution to clear the decks prior to a complete restart, formed by investment from a new Board? |
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who gives a damn about Odsal? The real foundations of a club are the team, not some ancient lump of rotting concrete. As with any financial crisis you liquidate any fixed assets you can, and that is what happened. it kept the team going a while. The real crime is that the time it bought was not put to good use reshaping the business, so once it was gone that opportunity was gone too. Who our props are going to be is much more vital to the future of the club than a rubbish dump on top of a windswept foggy hill. How is any of this going to help us sneak the away points at Fax this season?
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| Quote ="rugbyreddog"Interesting, Didn't you tell Hapetobehere that there was no interest in an inquiry from other clubs?'"
Reddog - if we did then we may well have been principally rererring to two Chamionship clubs, our very own, and the Rams. Mark Sawyer, as per recent press coverage, sees no particular purpose in any form of inquiry into what's gone on with the Bulls and Odsal etc over recent years.
We believe Mark has to all intents and purposes been directed to be a front man and smokescreen for the likes of Ralph, Karen, Simon and of course Nigel. He appears to be 'desperately' doing a grand job so far; or is he ? |
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| Quote ="nestegg"We don't go on conventional social media platforms mate, but we can make two points re the above:
1) Any inquiry needs to go back to say mid 2011 - a few months prior to when Nigel Wood and his allegedly dodgy RFL buddy, Richard 'Posh Boy' Lewis, elected to buy the Odsal head lease off Hood 'for the good of the game'. Shortly after the head lease re-assignment the RFL said to the BBC on 24 January 2012, and we quote:
=#4000BF[i"This arrangement is absolutely the right thing to do because it safeguards the future of one of the sport's most famous stadia," [size=85and[/size
"Odsal is famous throughout the world. It would be a tragedy were the venue to be lost to the sport in the way that other evocative rugby league venues have already been lost." [/i
So eight years later where are we? The stadium has been (allegedly purposefully) run into the ground by the RFL. The South Bank stadium is apparently on the point of collapse. The key head lease clause requiring RL to be played at Odsal was rendered null and void in late Spring 2019, and shortly thereafter it is no coincidence that the Bulls left Odsal (and Bradford) based on largely fictitious reasons. All this whilst the Council's CE - Kersten England ([i[size=85from Scotland[/size[/i) - in recent times sat back and sipped complimentary drinks etc in the crumbling South Bank.
It is we allege a disgrace.
2) In any event as said previously any inquiry will in all likelihood be a long drawn out whitewash. A more direct approach to meaningfully address the Bulls fans many legitimate grievances re Odsal etc is required. In doing so a positive, truly independent and fair outcome should materialise. Watch this space.'"
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| Quote ="snowie"Which part of the stadium is the South bank is it the curved building on stilts'"
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So some of us are believing Ralph Rimjob is involved?
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| Quote ="Bulls4Champs"So some of us are believing Ralph Rimjob is involved?'"
The way it's been heading the last few years, I wouldn't be shocked if someone told me Gary Glitter & Rose West were part of the consortium. |
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| Quote ="DILLIGAF"The way it's been heading the last few years, I wouldn't be shocked if someone told me Gary Glitter &=#FF0000 Rose West were part of the consortium.'"
League Express are saying Rose is denying this as she's better off where she is. |
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| Quote ="DILLIGAF"The way it's been heading the last few years, I wouldn't be shocked if someone told me that Gary Glitter was part of the Wood / Sawyer consortium.'"
Maybe so, but remember that all that glitters may not necessarily be gold.
That said, some allegedly corrupt folk don't care less about the glitter, all they appear to care about is the pot of gold at the end of Stadium Road. |
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| Quote ="nestegg"Maybe so, but remember that all that glitters may not necessarily be gold.
That said, some allegedly corrupt folk don't care less about the glitter, all they appear to care about is the pot of gold at the end of Stadium Road.'"
As the said pot of gold is the land and surrounds that it is known as Odsal belongs to BMDC its going to be iron pyrites, unless you're now saying the Council will be up for selling the land?? |
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| Quote ="Blotto"As the said pot of gold is [ithe land and surrounds that it is known as Odsa[/il belongs to BMDC its going to be iron pyrites, unless you're now saying the Council will be up for selling the land??'"
Yes of course Blotto, the freeholder is BMDC, but for several reasons that fact currently has little bearing on our hypothesis re the RFL owned head lease.
If you read the 'Odsal stadium' head lease we are advised that it paints a different picture, AND more importantly a potential money making opportunity for the RFL [iet al[/i. Of course it is conceivable that our advisor in this regard may be mistaken.
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So now your hinting that for the RFL to purchase the lease the Council sweetened the deal by allowing more flexibility than previously? Probably in the knowledge that there are several mechanisms at Local and Government level that would stall any redevelopments outside the Stadium use! l wouldn't worry too much about it!
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Yet more if's than buts, innuendos and supposition, as opposed to evidence supported commentary.I want to believe, but too much 'can't tell won't tell' is not best serving any informative purpose mate.
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| Quote ="Blotto"So now your hinting that for the RFL to purchase the lease the Council sweetened the deal by allowing more flexibility than previously? Probably in the knowledge that there are several mechanisms at Local and Government level that would stall any redevelopments outside the Stadium use! l wouldn't worry too much about it!'"
In part agree. Sport England and the BMDC's recently revised playing fields strategy being just two examples thereof. But money (or the potential thereof) can often talk, and has on occasions been known to overcome even the most stubborn of obstacles, inc statutory obstacles.
NW is well connected etc.
We may of course be mistaken. Happy to discuss further.
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| It's the final week for Dickie Dunns. I expect things to accelerate somewhat before Christmas as the bulldozers move in  |
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| Quote ="Scarey71"It's the final week for Dickie Dunns. I expect things to acceperate somewhat before Christmas as the bulldozers move in
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Full list of shareholders for bbbbb ltd now available.
Shareholding 1 200 ORDINARY shares held as at the date of this confirmation statement
Name: KIMBERLEY STATHER
Shareholding 2: 249 ORDINARY shares held as at the date of this confirmation statement
Name: MARK SAWYER
Shareholding 3: 81 ORDINARY shares held as at the date of this confirmation statement
Name: MICHAEL SAWYER
Shareholding 4: 150 ORDINARY shares held as at the date of this confirmation statement
Name: Sue Allen
Shareholding 5: 100 ORDINARY shares held as at the date of this confirmation statement
Name: HELENA SMITH
Shareholding 6: 50 ORDINARY shares held as at the date of this confirmation statement
Name: SANDRA WOOD
Shareholding 7: 50 ORDINARY shares held as at the date of this confirmation statement
Name: STEVEN WOOD
Shareholding 8: 50 ORDINARY shares held as at the date of this confirmation statement
Name: WENDY WOOD
Shareholding 9: 50 ORDINARY shares held as at the date of this confirmation statement
Name: NIGEL WOOD
Shareholding 10 20 ORDINARY shares held as at the date of this confirmation statement
Name: ADAM FOGERTY
Confirmation Statement
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Does anyone who knows about these things want to explain to us laypersons what all of that stuff in the post above actually means for the club?
Who are all those people, and what does it mean for the club for them to be the shareholders?
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Bulls inviting fans to submit questions and have answered a list below. Nothing really that we didn't really know before, but I think they are trying. But as others have said, me included, only actions will convince me and even then, it will be years before I'm convinced. Having said that I do applaud them for paying off creditors which we haven't had in the past.
BRADFORD BULLS ARE PLEASED TO ANNOUNCE THAT WE ARE LAUNCHING A NEW INTERACTIVE SERVICE “ASK THE BULLS” WHERE SUPPORTERS CAN SUBMIT QUESTIONS ON ANY TOPIC.
The club will answer everything it can within the bounds of confidentiality or commercial sensitivity.
The club will prioritise responding to enquiries from current season ticket holders and active current sponsors.
The club will not answer rude, disrespectful or libellous questions.
Chairman Eric Perez states “I have to admit disappointed by some of the speculative commentary about our club on Social Media. Some of the stuff I’ve read is putting off good people from getting involved through comments that have no foundation. That is why we have decided therefore to take the initiative and start an “Ask the Bulls” service for our supporters to get answers direct from the club and cut through some of this nonsense. We commit to answering everything we reasonably can within 3 working days hopefully quicker, subject to volume. Where questions are similar in nature or basically on the same topic, a single answer will be provided to a group of similar questions. Season ticket holders and sponsors are invited to submit any questions they have to askthebulls@bradfordbulls.co.uk.
Frequently Asked Questions
Who actually own the Bulls?
A group of people, own a company called BBBBB Ltd (which stands for Bringing Bradford Bulls Back to Bradford) which in turn owns Bulls 2017 Ltd. The club was previously owned by a company called Orcas’ Limited which was owned by Mr & Mrs Chalmers. Clearly a company had to be created to take over Orcas Ltd. position.
And who owns BBBBB Ltd.?
A number of people – As has been reported Mark Sawyer personally owns 24.9%. The Wood extended family owns 33% and number of shares are being held for potential future investors. The original consortium was three groups. One party decided not to proceed for their own reasons and the other two parties did.
Is Nigel Wood the majority shareholder?
No – He and his wife have agreed to own 10%. He was asked by others to help save the club and he did. He has used his network of contacts around the sport and around the city to build a coalition of the willing, to rescue the Bulls.
Is Nigel Wood a Director?
No – Nigel has a very demanding full-time world job, which means he is not able to commit the time and energy required to be a Director of the club. He has agreed to provide advice and assistance where he can and will continue to support the team when he is actually in this country.
Who are the Directors?
Currently Mark Kilgallon and Sandra Wood, but these two will be joined by others as the position becomes clearer and more stable. The intention is to build a group of competency-based Directors over time as the size of the project becomes better understood.
Have the RFL appointed any Directors?
No – but we have invited the RFL to appoint an Observer if they so wish to see that the club is being run according to the undertakings given to get out of Special Measures.
What is Eric Perez’s role?
Eric is an experienced RL Administrator with a proven track record and was asked to take an Interim Chairman role to assist the club. Because his appointment was relatively short notice he had to travel back to Canada but he is now back in Bradford. The current agreement for his involvement is until February 2020.
When will the club appoint a CEO?
When the position is more stable, hopefully early in the new year.
Will it be Nigel Wood?
No
Is Andrew Chalmers intending to hold any shares in the BBBBB Ltd.?
No
Why does Andrew Chalmers still appear as a Director of Bulls 2017 Ltd?
Because he has some administrative tasks to finish in order to complete the handover. He will resign as a Director immediately after they are completed.
Are the creditors being paid off?
Yes - that is the hope and the expectation. The consortium were of the firm view that the club could not survive yet another Administration, and have resolved to clear the old company debt as quickly as they practically can. No one should underestimate the size and scale of this commitment by the members of the consortium.
What are the club’s priorities?
To stabilise the club’s finances, to provide the best quality team possible and to begin work on Bringing the Bulls Back to Bradford.
Does that mean back to Odsal?
Nothing has been ruled in or ruled out. Clearly Odsal is a very important alternative but the terms of occupancy have to be affordable and sustainable.
Who owns Odsal?
The RFL
What if the RFL chose to sell it?
That would be their prerogative, but we understand the RFL would prefer to see Odsal used to provide professional Rugby League with a suitable 21st century home in one of their most important centres.
If they chose to sell it, who would get the sale proceeds?
The RFL.
Are the supporters and businesses rallying round?
On the whole yes. We have been overwhelmed by some offers, gestures and voices of support. We recognise that we will be unable to persuade some people but we cannot spend all of our time dealing with those who have no intention of supporting the club moving forward. The only way to prove that there is no ulterior motive, is by proof of actions, over the passage of time. There will always be people who choose not to believe, so be it; the consortium are very, very happy to commit that none of the shareholders are seeking personal gain from this rescue…nor incidentally do they want to lose vast amounts of money.
Is it true some people have been put off investing?
Yes, unfortunately. Some people have looked at some of the social media around the club and have been put off by some of the non-factual reporting in some quarters. It is a real shame, some people who claim to care for the club are actually damaging it.
To submit your question to be answered by the club, email info@bradfordbulls.co.uk |
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Bulls inviting fans to submit questions and have answered a list below. Nothing really that we didn't really know before, but I think they are trying. But as others have said, me included, only actions will convince me and even then, it will be years before I'm convinced. Having said that I do applaud them for paying off creditors which we haven't had in the past.
BRADFORD BULLS ARE PLEASED TO ANNOUNCE THAT WE ARE LAUNCHING A NEW INTERACTIVE SERVICE “ASK THE BULLS” WHERE SUPPORTERS CAN SUBMIT QUESTIONS ON ANY TOPIC.
The club will answer everything it can within the bounds of confidentiality or commercial sensitivity.
The club will prioritise responding to enquiries from current season ticket holders and active current sponsors.
The club will not answer rude, disrespectful or libellous questions.
Chairman Eric Perez states “I have to admit disappointed by some of the speculative commentary about our club on Social Media. Some of the stuff I’ve read is putting off good people from getting involved through comments that have no foundation. That is why we have decided therefore to take the initiative and start an “Ask the Bulls” service for our supporters to get answers direct from the club and cut through some of this nonsense. We commit to answering everything we reasonably can within 3 working days hopefully quicker, subject to volume. Where questions are similar in nature or basically on the same topic, a single answer will be provided to a group of similar questions. Season ticket holders and sponsors are invited to submit any questions they have to askthebulls@bradfordbulls.co.uk.
Frequently Asked Questions
Who actually own the Bulls?
A group of people, own a company called BBBBB Ltd (which stands for Bringing Bradford Bulls Back to Bradford) which in turn owns Bulls 2017 Ltd. The club was previously owned by a company called Orcas’ Limited which was owned by Mr & Mrs Chalmers. Clearly a company had to be created to take over Orcas Ltd. position.
And who owns BBBBB Ltd.?
A number of people – As has been reported Mark Sawyer personally owns 24.9%. The Wood extended family owns 33% and number of shares are being held for potential future investors. The original consortium was three groups. One party decided not to proceed for their own reasons and the other two parties did.
Is Nigel Wood the majority shareholder?
No – He and his wife have agreed to own 10%. He was asked by others to help save the club and he did. He has used his network of contacts around the sport and around the city to build a coalition of the willing, to rescue the Bulls.
Is Nigel Wood a Director?
No – Nigel has a very demanding full-time world job, which means he is not able to commit the time and energy required to be a Director of the club. He has agreed to provide advice and assistance where he can and will continue to support the team when he is actually in this country.
Who are the Directors?
Currently Mark Kilgallon and Sandra Wood, but these two will be joined by others as the position becomes clearer and more stable. The intention is to build a group of competency-based Directors over time as the size of the project becomes better understood.
Have the RFL appointed any Directors?
No – but we have invited the RFL to appoint an Observer if they so wish to see that the club is being run according to the undertakings given to get out of Special Measures.
What is Eric Perez’s role?
Eric is an experienced RL Administrator with a proven track record and was asked to take an Interim Chairman role to assist the club. Because his appointment was relatively short notice he had to travel back to Canada but he is now back in Bradford. The current agreement for his involvement is until February 2020.
When will the club appoint a CEO?
When the position is more stable, hopefully early in the new year.
Will it be Nigel Wood?
No
Is Andrew Chalmers intending to hold any shares in the BBBBB Ltd.?
No
Why does Andrew Chalmers still appear as a Director of Bulls 2017 Ltd?
Because he has some administrative tasks to finish in order to complete the handover. He will resign as a Director immediately after they are completed.
Are the creditors being paid off?
Yes - that is the hope and the expectation. The consortium were of the firm view that the club could not survive yet another Administration, and have resolved to clear the old company debt as quickly as they practically can. No one should underestimate the size and scale of this commitment by the members of the consortium.
What are the club’s priorities?
To stabilise the club’s finances, to provide the best quality team possible and to begin work on Bringing the Bulls Back to Bradford.
Does that mean back to Odsal?
Nothing has been ruled in or ruled out. Clearly Odsal is a very important alternative but the terms of occupancy have to be affordable and sustainable.
Who owns Odsal?
The RFL
What if the RFL chose to sell it?
That would be their prerogative, but we understand the RFL would prefer to see Odsal used to provide professional Rugby League with a suitable 21st century home in one of their most important centres.
If they chose to sell it, who would get the sale proceeds?
The RFL.
Are the supporters and businesses rallying round?
On the whole yes. We have been overwhelmed by some offers, gestures and voices of support. We recognise that we will be unable to persuade some people but we cannot spend all of our time dealing with those who have no intention of supporting the club moving forward. The only way to prove that there is no ulterior motive, is by proof of actions, over the passage of time. There will always be people who choose not to believe, so be it; the consortium are very, very happy to commit that none of the shareholders are seeking personal gain from this rescue…nor incidentally do they want to lose vast amounts of money.
Is it true some people have been put off investing?
Yes, unfortunately. Some people have looked at some of the social media around the club and have been put off by some of the non-factual reporting in some quarters. It is a real shame, some people who claim to care for the club are actually damaging it.
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Only the Bulls could get the stadium ownership situation wrong.
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Good idea from Club but for goodness sake CHECK your facts before publishing. Even a casual fan knows BMDC own Odsal and only they can sell it.
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[iWho actually own the Bulls?
A group of people, own a company called BBBBB Ltd (which stands for Bringing Bradford Bulls Back to Bradford) which in turn owns Bulls 2017 Ltd. The club was previously owned by a company called Orcas’ Limited which was owned by Mr & Mrs Chalmers. Clearly a company had to be created to take over Orcas Ltd. position.[/i
I'm pretty sure that is not actually true and the shares could have been transferred to individuals. Quite possibly cheaper though as only one transfer to process.
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