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| Quote ="Trimalchio"I thought Hood was on record of saying that success this season was a good run in the play-offs, implying there would be changes if this does not happen?
In any case, perhaps any new coach would be best not promoted from within this time - a breath of fresh air and a new perspective is probably needed if Bradford don't make the play-offs.'"
Absolutely. The best thing to do when you've spent 2 years building a totally new system to provide a future squad from the club's own system is to get rid of the team which built it and hire someone totally different to start all over again.
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| Quote ="AndreaB"Absolutely. The best thing to do when you've spent 2 years building a totally new system to provide a future squad from the club's own system is to get rid of the team which built it and hire someone totally different to start all over again.'" Why would it start all over again as the systems would still be in place.
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| Quote ="redeverready"But if the money starts to dry up the rebuilding stops and which ever way you look at it it's the first team that generates the money for the club.'"
But I thought the message from Hood was that the financial foundations are currently sound?
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| Quote ="Trimalchio"But I thought the message from Hood was that the financial foundations are currently sound?'" They are. It was more in response to if things don't pick up or slide any further.
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| Quote ="redeverready"Why would it start all over again as the systems would still be in place.'"
But the bloke who's decided to incorporate the systems would be out on his ear, which wouldn't do much for the happiness of people like Paul Medley, and the squad members like Sam Burgess and Andy Lynch who've signed because of whats going on at the place at the moment.
Sacking Macca should be the last thing the club consider at this moment in time. Like Medders said last week, under Noble he was just operating a quick fix at the top and the whole thing collapsed, leaving Macca to take the full force of it.
I'd much rather settle for a couple of years in the lower ebbs for a sustained period at the top (Leeds anyone, with 10 home grown players in their last GF winning squad?)
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| Quote ="AaronBull"But the bloke who's decided to incorporate the systems would be out on his ear, which wouldn't do much for the happiness of people like Paul Medley, and the squad members like Sam Burgess and Andy Lynch who've signed because of whats going on at the place at the moment.
Sacking Macca should be the last thing the club consider at this moment in time. Like Medders said last week, under Noble he was just operating a quick fix at the top and the whole thing collapsed, leaving Macca to take the full force of it.
I'd much rather settle for a couple of years in the lower ebbs for a sustained period at the top (Leeds anyone, with 10 home grown players in their last GF winning squad?)'"
exactly.
We do not have the money to both spend to capacity on short term fixes and for the long term. Very few clubs do.
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| From player to Head Coach in one move is very unlikely.
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| If (and there are a lot of ifs) it was possible, then I wouldn't mind our normal "rolling" career progression from within, it has served us very well. Morrison could be a candidate for one of the secondary coaching posts and from what i've seen and heard of him, he should go well. maybe in years to come Assistant to the Head coach? (a la Noble?)
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| Quote ="AaronBull"
I'd much rather settle for a couple of years in the lower ebbs for a sustained period at the top (Leeds anyone, with 10 home grown players in their last GF winning squad?)'"
I'd count 6 Grand finals in 7 years as a sustained period of success.
People are being a bit cheeky to say noble and others were just making quick fixes. Still made good shrewd signings and we went to 5 grand finals in a row.
I get the whole building foundations lark, but no coach should be above being sacked if the first team don't perform to a level expected off them. Not that i expect Mcnarama to be sacked. Hopefully we will have a good second season.
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| Quote ="dixie"I'd count 6 Grand finals in 7 years as a sustained period of success.
People are being a bit cheeky to say noble and others were just making quick fixes. Still made good shrewd signings and we went to 5 grand finals in a row.
I get the whole building foundations lark, but no coach should be above being sacked if the first team don't perform to a level expected off them. Not that i expect Mcnarama to be sacked. Hopefully we will have a good second season.'" Finally some else has grasped it.
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| Nor sure as to how Morro could retain a work permit as a coach with no history in such position
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| Morrison is apparently in the process of tying down a 3-year deal with the club. Now that seems a lot to me if it was just for playing. So maybe some coaching element in that too?
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| Quote ="debaser"Morrison is apparently in the process of tying down a 3-year deal with the club. Now that seems a lot to me if it was just for playing. So maybe some coaching element in that too?'"
I sincerely hope it isn't a 3 year playing deal, the club would be very foolish to do that and in all honesty I can't see it happening.
I would certainly welcome him on to the coaching staff though
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| I'm not sure anyone thinks that a head coach is bullet proof, there are just varying opinions over when is the appropriate time to get rid.
On the success of the Noble years one can point to the structures put in place that brought through the likes of Pryce, Peacock, Fielden, Deacon, Paul, Parker and Langley. We certainly seemed to better at bringing through real quality before Noble became coach. After he became coach he was astute at adding players from outside the organisation but the quality of those coming through didn't remain the same. Whether that's down to the systems being neglected or us just being lucky with the talent that came through 96-2000 I don't know. However looking at results nobody can say Noble wasn't a great coach for us.
At the moment we're building for the future. I guess the true test of McNamara's contribution will be to get the best out of the current first team and to get us bringing through real quality young players again (which is hopefully just beginning). Where we have underperformed this year is with the first team and as head coach he's already said he takes full responsibility. What happens between now and the end of the year is critical. If we play like we did in the first half of the season then there can't be any excuses really. He might be doing some great work long term but unless the first team performs to its potential he's vulnerable.
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| Quote ="bobsmyuncle"Nor sure as to how Morro could retain a work permit as a coach with no history in such position
Anyone got info on this?'"
how long would morro have to be over here for before he could apply for citizenship like tony smith did? presumably then he wouldnt need a work permit.
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| Quote ="redeverready"But if the money starts to dry up the rebuilding stops and which ever way you look at it it's the first team that generates the money for the club.'"
True enough. It`s a never ending chicken and egg situation really; without the first team to finance the rest there is no junior development, then again without investment into the juniors we can`t bring young players into the first team. It`s a matter of balance I suppose.
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| Quote ="Bulliac"True enough. It`s a never ending chicken and egg situation really; without the first team to finance the rest there is no junior development, then again without investment into the juniors we can`t bring young players into the first team. It`s a matter of balance I suppose.'" IMO the first team has to always be the more favored of the two ideally not to the level Noble did.
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| It would be utter stupidity to re-sign Morrison on a 3 yr deal given his injury proneness. If he re-signs it should be a 1yr deal.
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| Quote ="Ewwenorfolk"It would be utter stupidity to re-sign Morrison on a 3 yr deal given his injury proneness. If he re-signs it should be a 1yr deal.'"
agreed. I'd like to keep morro for another year but he should be behind menzies,jeffries,semi,cook,sykes and maybe james on list of priorities. Also we need to finalise any overseas signings to know whether we can afford to use a quota space on morro or if we need it to bring somone in in another position.
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| Quote ="mat"agreed. I'd like to keep morro for another year but he should be behind menzies,jeffries,semi,cook,sykes and maybe james on list of priorities. Also we need to finalise any overseas signings to know whether we can afford to use a quota space on morro or if we need it to bring somone in in another position.'" Morrison still has a long way to go IMO about getting a deal for next year. His injury record isn't the greatest and this has to be factored in to any discussions about a deal. As for Cook a I just can't see him signing a new it seem Macca just doesn't have any faith in him.
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| Morrison is helping out at coaching a local amateur team.....plus he`s just put his house up for sale...going home?????
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| Quote ="ritz"Morrison is helping out at coaching a local amateur team.....plus he`s just put his house up for sale...going home?????'"
Buying a new house?
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| Quote ="ritz"Morrison is helping out at coaching a local amateur team.....plus he`s just put his house up for sale...going home?????'"
Stalker
Why don't you go and ask him?
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| Quote ="redeverready"Morrison still has a long way to go IMO about getting a deal for next year. His injury record isn't the greatest and this has to be factored in to any discussions about a deal. As for Cook a I just can't see him signing a new it seem Macca just doesn't have any faith in him.'"
tend to think cook will end up leaving. he doesnt seem to have lived up to all hype when we signed him. He's a good solid 2nd rower but not really anything special. think he's been overtaken in pecking order by worrincy and with whitehead, olbison and tate all looking likely to breakthrough in next year or two think his salary cap would be better spent in backs. be a shame to see someone whos come through our academy leave but we need to balance the squad and its too heavily biased towards forwards at the moment.
As I said feel morrisons staying or going will end up being determined by whether we need his quota spot for someone else. dont think the injuries are that big an issue as they arent the same one recurring, which would be a problem, but instead are things that could happen to any player. ?Maybe the injuries he picks up are because of the way he throws himself into game, but I think its justified to risk losing him for parts of season for the sheer impact he has when he is fit
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| Quote ="mat"tend to think cook will end up leaving. he doesnt seem to have lived up to all hype when we signed him. He's a good solid 2nd rower but not really anything special. think he's been overtaken in pecking order by worrincy and with whitehead, olbison and tate all looking likely to breakthrough in next year or two think his salary cap would be better spent in backs. be a shame to see someone whos come through our academy leave but we need to balance the squad and its too heavily biased towards forwards at the moment.
As I said feel morrisons staying or going will end up being determined by whether we need his quota spot for someone else. dont think the injuries are that big an issue as they arent the same one recurring, which would be a problem, but instead are things that could happen to any player. ?Maybe the injuries he picks up are because of the way he throws himself into game, but I think its justified to risk losing him for parts of season for the sheer impact he has when he is fit'"
The issue is he is prone to injury, it doesn't really matter if it's a recurring injury or not. He's played around 50% of games in his last two seasons for us. That's a pretty poor return. His impact is quality like you say, but it's not jusfieable to keep a player who is injured an awful lot of time for.
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