At least you'll not need to run the fantasy league in 2020. Every cloud....

Not quite....both BBBBB LTD and the Orcas are shown as PWSC and both as owning 75% or more of shares or voting rights? BBBBB has 2 officers: Kimberely Stather (sole shareholder) and Charlotte Louise Monkman. Not sure where Wood fits in all this?

Quote ="nestegg"That's actually somewhat of a fallacy, bulls2487. The truth is that it was Nigel Wood who on 3 January 2017 mistakenly announced to the press and media c/o a bogus press release that Marc Green's BBNL was 'liquidated' (see below): https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/38418199 The truth is that BBNL entered into liquidation in February 2017, as evidenced on Companies House website. Everbody fell for the RFL's (or in reality Nigel's) charade. Worse still the RFL, and in particular Nigel, elected not to correct their blatant error. Why was this? Because it paved the way to allow the RFL's (and Nigel's) chosen one, Chalmers, to very shortly thereafter be gift wrapped the club, its remaining assets and an operating licence for zilch, and for BB17 to be incorporated on 13 January 2017. Given our RFL insider connection, 'we' have 100% proof of the above, but have been advised at this stage not to upload it on to a public forum. A court of law would be a far better place to make such a disclosure. Moreover, with the benefit of litigation privilege then 'we' would be suitably protected in respect of such disclosure and related assertions as part of for example any possible anticipated legal proceedings! Regardless of the above legal mumbo jumbo, the fact is that what happended to the Bulls, in particular towards the end of Marc Green's reign, was to all intents and purposes a scandal, and to date we have only hinted at circa 20% of the truth in this regard.'" Thanks Nestegg (first on here im guessing) has a bit of a chip on his shoulder at times

Quote ="nestegg"That's actually somewhat of a fallacy, bulls2487. The truth is that it was Nigel Wood who on 3 January 2017 mistakenly announced to the press and media c/o a bogus press release that Marc Green's BBNL was 'liquidated' (see below): https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/38418199 The truth is that BBNL entered into liquidation in February 2017, as evidenced on Companies House website. Everbody fell for the RFL's (or in reality Nigel's) charade. Worse still the RFL, and in particular Nigel, elected not to correct their blatant error. Why was this? Because it paved the way to allow the RFL's (and Nigel's) chosen one, Chalmers, to very shortly thereafter be gift wrapped the club, its remaining assets and an operating licence for zilch, and for BB17 to be incorporated on 13 January 2017. Given our RFL insider connection, 'we' have 100% proof of the above, but have been advised at this stage not to upload it on to a public forum. A court of law would be a far better place to make such a disclosure. Moreover, with the benefit of litigation privilege then 'we' would be suitably protected in respect of such disclosure and related assertions as part of for example any possible anticipated legal proceedings! Regardless of the above legal mumbo jumbo, the fact is that what happended to the Bulls, in particular towards the end of Marc Green's reign, was to all intents and purposes a scandal, and to date we have only hinted at circa 20% of the truth in this regard.'" Thanks Nestegg (first on here im guessing) has a bit of a chip on his shoulder at times

Wonder if she's related to the recent University Challenge legend. Or maybe she's a really poor superhero...


On a more serious note, a quick google shows that Ms. Monkman actually used to have what appears to be a H.R. style role at the RFL. Edit: Never mind, found it. She was Ralph Rimmer's P.A. and is now Secretary of BBBBBBBBB Ltd [urlhttps://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/steve-prescott-man-of-steel-petition-handed-to-rfl/[/url

Surprisingly your not a milion miles away Pumpety ..... you're a smart cookie with an excellent sense of humour. So may we politefully suggest that you don your best thinking hat .... and who knows you might get it right ! Another obscure clue ..... [iEngland[/i.

As for BBBBB Ltd it's based out of what appears to be a Council House; nowt wrong with that, but when Charles paid a visit to the property at lunchtime he got a surprisingly hostile reception .....

Yeah. It looks like she works for a company called Global Rugby League Solutions Ltd. who has one officer: Ms. Wendy Wood.

Popular surname that is, at the moment...

How dare you infer that Ralph's (former?) PA is involved with Nigel Wood and the Bulls c/o BB17 - scandalous

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He's lucky to have found a council house in East Bierley.....

So, to be clear, we are saying that the new main person of interest in the Bulls is Ralph Rimmer's PA?

You really couldn't make it up....

This story just gets stranger. Anyone care to summarise all this in one post?

Its all a bit weird...

Firstly the new company registration address I recognised... its pretty much opposite where my grandparents used to live. Its not a council house but trust me when I say its a very standard semi detached house... not the kind of place you'd have as the new HQ of a business!!! However, i now know why this is the case... linked to one of the company officers and if Charlie boy did knock on the door I doubt her hubby (who happens to be built like a brick out house) would have given you the warmest of welcomes!!!

Anyway... Company officers:-

Charlotte Monkman - appears to be the Business Manager at Global Rugby League Solutions Ltd (company owned by Nigel Wood and run by director Wendy Wood). Currently Programme Manager for the 2021 RLWC. Previously worked at the RFL (old news now I know)

Kimberley Stather - Is a friend of a friend I've come to discover. I believe she and hubby is good family friends with the Woods and I also know she and her family are big Bulls fans.

Seems to be lots of "friends or friends" involved behind the scenes. Chalmers does still appear to be involved but his missus has now withdrawn (Orcas Rugby) but no sign of Sawyer who apparently had just under 25% of the shares. That said...

Remember when two new rugby themed companies popped up in August (Bradford Northern Rugby 2020 and Bradford Rugby 2020) and nobody could work out who was behind it. Well after spending my lunch break searching Companies House (just call me Poirot) I stumbled upon something.

- Both new companies set up by Jonathan Charles Round c/o York Place, Elizabeth House, Leeds
- Mark Sawyer is a Director for a company called Line Distance Ltd
- Line Distance Ltd is a company that deals in Real Estate, set up by... York Place Company Ltd

So could we be possibly seeing the picture start to come together more clearly?

Is Sawyers real estate company setting up potential holding companies through a well known associate and if so why?

Could Charlie boy actually by Mr Jonathan Charles Round who set said companies up?

Could Charlie (or Jonathan) be the insider who says he knows what the actual dealings are and that its not all above board?

Could Nestegg actually be right about this???







Or am I just going completely paranoid and need to lay down in a dark room and hope to wake up pre-season in 2012 realising it was all a bad dream







tune in next week to find out. Think i'm going

Yes Paul, even nestegg couldn't concoct such a comedy.

Apparently Nigel and Ralph are rather upset at the negative reception that BBBBB Ltd is receiving on social media and on this forum. Therefore they are thinking of re-branding the NewCo ...... one apt name they are now thinking of giving it is (allegedly) .... :

Smokescreen Ltd !

I'd suggest more than a bit.

Aaron Bower reporting that KS is a Wood family member and that CM was also NW's PA at the RFL

So everyone seems to think this is all about a land grab. Is the reason Nestegg are stirring the kaka is because they want to queer Wood's pitch so that they can take it and they are not interested in the rugby at all?

We are principally interested in the latter and not the former. There has already been far too much '[itaken[/i' from the Bulls in recent years.

We also want to see folk introduced to the club who espouse two core values - honesty and integrity. Such values have we believe been bereft in respect of the Bulls ownership (and within the RFL hierarchy) for many years.

When (or if) we get the opportunity we will share our vision with all and sundry. At this time, at least in regard to [iour [/i[iconsortium's[/i specific plans, we prefer to keep our cards fairly close to our chests.

BTW, and apologies if this is old news, but one of our RFL insiders has informed us that Ralph Rimmer appears to be on the verge of deciding to commission a=#4000BF formal public inquiry into recent events at the Bulls etc. The view in the RFL is that if Ralph doesn't commission an inquiry in the near future then his hand could be forced by the Tier 2 and Tier 3 clubs when they all meet up shortly - we think they are all due to meet up in Doncaster. Regardless, we aver that should an inquiry be commissioned it would largely prove to be no more than a long, drawn out smokescreen, and could simply prove to be a distraction as opposed to a solution.

A different and far more direct approach is required. Watch this space.

TBH, everyone who's been signed so far is on a 1 year deal. Which suggests to me that the club will be limping along through 2020 and then put out of it's misery at the end of next year

Being cynical....if limping through 2020 and packing in were really the idea then why bother about length of contract? It would just be voided on break-up anyway. You'd possibly get players cheaper by giving the "security" of a longer term contract. Not that ANY player is likely to consider the Bulls as particularly "secure", given recent history.

Oakes is 2 year tbh a lot of clubs do it like this

Yeah they do, certainly in the Championship. Leigh announced a ton of players the other day and I think most, if not all, were on 1 year deals.

Indeed, so is Jordan Lilley, though they signed prior to the new management taking over, so don't count as 'new'.

Though, much like our new management, I was on a surreal flight of whimsy when I did that post about being cynical.

Interesting, Didn't you tell Hapetobehere that there was no interest in an inquiry from other clubs?

Why are for ok calling for a independent lately nquiry for what s happened over the past five years as opposed to all the years since we first went into administration?

As a very concerned Bulls supporter I've been reading with huge interest over the last 3 months.

Bulls4champs - You appear to be asking an interesting question but can you clarify -

Are you making reference to an enquiry going back only five years?

Are you asking why it doesnt go back further?

Where have you got the idea it would only go back 5 yrs?

When you put OK are you suggesting Omar is now asking for an enquiry?

I suggest from what has been posted already that Nestegg might be the ones to ask. You might want to wait for them to respond. They do seem to have at least a little finger on the pulse.

Things change again with Kimberley Stather resigning as a director of BBBBB Ltd, but remaining as the PWSC, and Mark Kilgallon and Sandra Wood appointed directors. Still no sign of Nige......