Given the recent stories about premier league wanting to ban dual use of stadia, and assuming it filters down leagues as premier league rules tend to. would be interesting to hear the views of the city supporters trust chairman on his proposed groundshare. Would he be happy to place a ceiling on how far city could be promoted up the league tables, or would he be campaigning a few years down the track for bulls to be kicked out so his team can go up a division.

doubt this dual use ban will go through but if it does it will kill off any talk of a groundshare at either vp or odsal.

Well that's KC, Galpharm, DW and OT fooked, then, along with very numerous rugby and girlyball clubs. Which is of course why it can't happen unless the football authorities can make up the loss of income to the already almost universally insolvent clubs. Which would be never, then.

Galpharm would be fine. Terriers won't be making the Premier League any time this century.

I can't see it going through either though.

If it did, I don't think Mr. Whelan would give a second thought to kicking Wigan Warriors out now though (considering the debacle of the playoff game in 200icon_cool.gif.

Lawn appears to have lost the plot. www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/rugby-le ... 6234313.jp

Lawn appears to have lost the plot. www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/rugby-le ... 6234313.jp

A desperate man with his club staring in to the financial abyss, methinks?

Groundhog day.

Calls rl a minority sport in the t&a article. Might as well call us egg-chasers and be done with it.

Both sides are acting in their own self interest, Lawn desperately wants a new pitch at VP as the current one is knackered but can't afford to pay for it, Bulls desperately want to stay at Odsal as that's where most of the fan base is from. I think in either case the primary entities that stand to gain the most from either deal are sports clubs.

He's not lost the plot at all.

Ideally City and Bulls should all come to together at Valley Parade. The Bulls should forgot about OSV. The money just isn't there for it. VP is a top notch stadium suitable for both clubs. But both clubs tend to hate each other for some reason, so it's difficult to move forward together. But well done Huddersfield. They've managed to do it with the work of a fantastic council. Bradford Council on the other hand.....useless.

It's not rocket science, but to the Council it is. Lawn has suggested a sensible idea, and the Council shoot it down straight away. The Bias towards the Bulls is so obvious! The opportunity is there for the cash to be saved and an improved stadium for both clubs.....but the morons at the top are being morons as usual just like they are with the Odeon building. Bradford Council....you're a disgrace to our City.

I've been a casual City fan for a lot of years now. When I say casual, I mean I prefer RL to Football, but if I am gonna go watch a football game, it's always gonna be City. Have always got to a few games a year at VP.

The way a lot of City fans are being towards the Bulls though, and in particular the comments being made towards the club by Mr. Lawn are starting to really put me off my own football team.

I don't get what business it is of Bradford City if the Bulls are given money by the council. Similarly, I wouldn't get what business it was of Peter Hood or the Bradford Bulls, if money was given to City. It's all very much like spoilt children kicking off because one got a flake in his ice cream and the other didn't, while they were out with mummy at the shops.

Well it's not exactly fair if the Bulls are getting money from the Council or a New Multi-Million pound Stadium and all City get is a few pounds for the odd Community Project here and there.

I refer again to my ice cream comparison.

With the council as useless as it is, how about everyone in the city is just happy that anyone is getting money? How come any time anyone gets some council investment, rather than it being applauded, all we ever hear is other sides moaning about it and asking where their money is. It's pathetic.



Would you be happy thinking that City could be getting an investment, but won't be, purely because the council are scared that if they give any money to City, the Bulls, Cougars & Avenue are all gonna start moaning that they aren't getting anything? So instead, the council just don't give to anyone, as it's not worth the hassle?

Council have said repeatedly that the 15million allocated to the OSV project is for the community sports portions of the scheme and NOT for the stadium. The stadium is to be funded by the other partners in the scheme. Lawn and Carling always gloss over this minor but important detail and try to present the OSV as purely a new stadium for the Bulls.

I want to know what exacly City get in the ground share idea? How much of it goes to the owner of the stadium, as i see it Bradford City and its co chairman are asking for £5 million to buy back Valley Parade "upgrade" the pitch so it can accomadate RL?? dose that sound right??? The pitch they can't afford to do yet they are pushing on with it anyway???? It stinks and sounds like the deals been done and dusted behind closed doors. It seems City and its supporters have been party to a lot of things the Bulls fans and Mr Hood Havn't. It smells very fishy! It wouldn't be much of a supprise though, im sure the bradford councilers would much rather go to valley parade than go to odsal to watch a premiership game rather than a super league game, suppose they have every chance with a solvent club like the the bulls bank rolling the footy club!

What happends if by some miracle City manage to get back into the premiership (bearing in mind the fa proposals on duel code stadia), might take a few years granted (if at all

), in the meen time Odsal's been filled and offices, industrial or houseing is built on it, or even the stadium is that over grown odsal is classed as not safe for use, (the odeon springs to mind) were dose that leave the club then?

Lets not forget City never get any hand outs and have to it off thier own backs, which is not quite true, it was only a few weeks ago they recieved a £3 million pound pay out plus 2 councill workers to help out in thier offices. So i ask again were in the hell dose money go down at valley parade?

As I keep saying...Groundhog day.

Wonder if they hope the Council will offer Bulls £5m to surrender the Odsal lease, and "encourage" Bulls to pay that £5m to City to buy in as a junior partner at VP. Thereby saving City and getting their hands on the Odsal site without it ever looking like Council baled out City.

Something almost exactly like that has NEVER been suggested at any time in the recent past, has it? You could NEVER imagine that scenario happening, could you?

Sorry, I must have been in a coma or summat for eight years - I just woke up and was sure it was 2002. Is Richmond still running City and is that soccer fan Stewart still the council chief exec, and has someone given Tesco the nod that they can build some supermarkets as long as not at Odsal?

Except now I have woken up, I see one significant difference: the council - or at least its Strategic Director for Culture, Tourism & Sport Mr Glaister, does not seem to be in on City's cunning plan, no doubt dusted off from 2002:



Hopefully the wassock has shot himself in the foot - the 'nads would be better, but he can probably locate his feet.

It doesn't matter how many times you state and re-state the fact that the OSV is about more than just a new stadium for the bulls. People just refuse to listen. Mainly as their brain's can't get a word in edgeways because their mouth's are on 24/7

You're missing the point though. Bradford Council are still planning to invest millions into Odsal and that's a fact. In comparison, the amount invested into Valley Parade by Bradford Council probably doesn't get above the £10 mark.

And by the way, if Bradford Council did buy Valley Parade and spend money on it and then rented it to Bulls and City, they would get a full return within 10 years.

If City and Bulls both survive ten years at VP, I presume...

None of us is missing any point. You and your disingenuous (if not dishonest) chairman are. The money is not going into Odsal stadium. It is going into the Odsal sporting village. Same way as if it was going into a site centred around Valley Parade it would be going into the Manningham sporting village. Amongst other things, it is going into a replacement for the Richard Dunn centre. How many times do we have to tell the boneheads this? The trouble is, they only want to hear what suits their agenda. Gobs stuck on "Transmit"; they need to open their ears to "Receive".

Their chairman has anyway pîssed off the council, by the looks of things, so maybe we should just let him carry on?

I saw the plans in the T&A with my own eyes and there were several options drawn up by Bradford Council over the Odsal Sporting Village and if I remember rightly, it was something like four out of the six contained plans to spend money on the Odsal Stadium itself.

I really cannot get my head around why so many City fans are against seeing the OSV happen. Bradford doesn't have a great deal going for it and a poor image in general IMO.
Some of the facilities planned would be a big boost for the people of Bradford and no doubt people would travel into Bradford to use them.

As a fan of both clubs i'm pro OSV, but i'd say the reason so many are against it is a perceived bias in favour of the Bulls. This scheme will cost tens of millions of pounds, and a large part of the scheme will entirely benefit the Bulls, so from the perspective of some it's a sort of "why are they spending tens of millions of pounds that will end up benefiting that sports club instead of ours".

Did I dream the offer for City to get on-board with the scheme too?

I don't mind the redevelopment of Richard Dunns, but in terms of a New Odsal Stadium funded by the taxpayer, I'm not sure. I wouldn't be against it if it held something like 25,000+ and it offered more than Valley Parade. Otherwise, I don't think its worth using tax payers money to fund a new stadium when there already is a perfectly good stadium in the City, which would cost much less to redevelop.

They wouldn't have had to pay a penny if Tesco had got the go-ahead in 2002.

It's funny (and a tad hypocritical) how Lawn's/City's motives for proposing what he has are judged in one way, yet the motives of the Bulls for wanting what they do aren't.

Hopefully Lawn has hacked the council off enough to ensure they never get their hands on Valley Parade or have anything to do with City, I can't think of anything worse than having such a bunch of incompetent pillocks involved in the club, unfortunately the Bulls are probably stuck with them.