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If yours was a penalty try at the end how did the buklls not get one when their player was takled without the ball on your try line? Fair enough he god sin binned but should have been given as it was a try all the way.

If you'd have offered me a 4 point loss before the weekend I'd have probably taken it, but the fact that we conceded a 16 point lead really hurts. It shouldn't have happened. People can try to blame the ref all they want, but we gave away too much field position with poor ball control and penalties.

IMO the biggest difference between the teams is that Leeds have more players capable of creating a moment of magic. That Watkins- Jones-Bishop partnership could be a thorn in our side for years to come!!

The main positives for me are that we were massively improved on last year, we had plenty up our sleeves in attack, and Elliott was all over the field. I'd have him at 13 every week and put Langley in the second row. He is something special.

We shouldn't even be talking about decisions and calls.

The final decision seemed fair enough to me, but even if it had been debatable, it's a singularly unattractive thing to make a case based on what was a 100% clear professional foul designed to prevent any chance of a score.

We should be concentrating on the main points, which seem to me to be on the one hand, the Bulls repeatedly pressing the self-destruct buttonto keep Leeds in a game they ought to have been absolutely buried in. And nothing more ridiculous than the sequence from us in possession in their 20, seeking what would surely even then have been the killer score, that went:
Lynch knock on; Sibbitt pen; Sibbit pen; Diskin pen; Leeds try. That was the daddy, but what about kicking out on the full, failing to find touch with a penalty, and contriving to turn a wind-down-the-half-situation into a penalty under the posts to opponents. The fact is, we both crucified Leeds, but also repeatedly let them back off the cross. And we can blame nobody but ourselves for these repeated bloopers.

Incidentally Walker's knock-on wasn't in that category, it was bloody unlucky, but to those who say it wasn't obvious, well no - until you got the correct angle. But once you see that, there actually isn't any doubt. At all. And I thought overall Ganson refereed the match splendidly.

On the other hand, we were a scratch side, playing in anger for the first time, against seasoned winners, added to which our game plan went out the window with the late withdrawal of Herbert so our key position had to be switched. Bearing those facts in mind, I reckon that, bloopers aside, our attacking play and defensive patterns were for the most part awesome, and I would honestly believe a million times better than anyone was expecting. When was the last time you watched us attacking, and (just like the opposition) had no idea what we would come up with next? Even without Herbert the thing that got us our lead was the sheer weight of options, and Leeds couldn't cope with it.

Leeds have got the points, and credit to them for sticking at it, but as well as swallowing a very bitter pill, I think we've taken away a shedload more positives than most would have been expecting.

Sums up exactly why we lost in the end.

Had we avoided just one of those mistakes the result would've been different.

Spot on nothing really seemed to be said about it on the commentary, from the replay it was clear Jones-Bishop I think it was ripped the ball and Raynor touched down. Should have been referred yet Ganson was ultra quick to give the knock on against Walker. It's one thing calling it inconsistent refereeing but when the tools are there to use (video ref) there is no excuse. Ok we don't want to spend 20 mins a game with the video ref looking at things but it is there for a reason. I have no qualms with the penalty try at all but he still had to ground it which is never a given with the bounce of a rugby ball, when Delaney was sin binned all Royston would have had to do is take the pass and fall over the line is there a big difference?

I would add the goal line drop out that we forced and then let Leeds regain possession from it. That set led to the penalty try at the other end (I haven't seen the tape yet, but I did feel that was harsh).

However, there was so many positives to take from that game; 1) we played like a team, 2) we had a plan, 3) We had two physical centres who broke things up in the middle (I thought Platt had really bulked up), 4) We had pacy winger who will cause problems to other teams

Gutted about the loss, but I think we'll have a good season, and we can beat Leeds.

Indeed.

And, lest we forget, we were playing a team that finished SIX places above us in the 2010 table.

Other than Salford, who played a team that finished four places above them, every other team played a team that finished within a place or two of them.

Given how heavily the deck was stacked against us anyway relative to every other team - if you use the above placings as a guide - we did exceptionally well to lose by only 4 points, I'd suggest?

Well mainly positives from that game. Got to remember its the first 'proper' game of rugby they have played this season. We still have Herbert to come back. We will beat the Rhinos in approx 8-10 weeks time.

Let me just say something if it wasnt for the double act of Ganson & his mate silverwood we would have gave the Rhinos a right hammering yesterday they couldnt live with us for majority of the game & i think when Chevs try was disallowed it knocked the stuffing out of us a little. Burrows try what a joke that just summed up the day. We all know what the two officials think of us i think the RFL should look at them once again and deal with them accordingly before they cause more mayhem........ We must agree it was encouraging but i still think we are lacking a quality ball player. Well done boys....

Excellent posts.

I would like to point out that 2 of your 5 tries were down to individual errors (Webb's pass intercepted & Pitts having his back to Diskin) and another 2 were against 12 men. Still, all in all, a fantastic effort and you'll make the playoffs based on that and be dangerous in them to boot as you'll have gelled by then too!!

All this "Ganson favours Leeds" is an utter joke. I know all fans think refs favour the other team but some of you really do seem to take it to the extreme. You could list dubious decisions all you wanted, we could make a list equally as long. You call us the "Whinos" and you lot are on here complaining about the ref within seconds of the hooter going?!

You're a good team, and can only get better given that 11 of them are new. Yesterday, you were just beaten. Simple as that. A good contest, and we narrowly won it. That's the end of it.

And for those that are saying the Penalty try was dubious, you're either deluded, in denial, or just blindly sticking by your team. I can forgive the latter.

You don't half talk some rubbish. But not this time, the best summary of the game I have seen.

That's more like it. Quality. How he didn't send Burrow off for chin butting Ah Van's forearm is beyond me.

Interesting stat of the day. The Bulls made more errors than any other team at Millennium Magic. I'd say that was what cost us the win.

I've still to get hold of the missed tackles stat.

where do you get the stats from??

Oh. Well, that's that, then. Thanks for letting us know. Everybody - please vacate the forum in an orderly fashion, the results are in, and there is nothing to discuss. Last man out switch the server off.

Hey, if you wanna hang around I'm happy to discuss referring decisions with you. If we talk about it for long enough perhaps we'll bore the RFL into giving Bradford 1 point for "nearly" beating Leeds.

3 of yours were.

Raynor out of position for 1 of BJB, Raynor for the penalty try & missed tackle for Burrow try.

Anyway, like I keep saying, it was a great game, lets hope for 2 more that are as thrilling, but surely it will be our turn to steal it at the death!

Not for the first time in his life

=#FF0000Crass trolling aside, take a look [url=http://viewtopic.php?f=1&t=438945HERE[/url about use of copyright images. If you want to play, play by the AUP or don't play at all. Your choice - BP

Match Stats as follows:

Leeds made more metres, more carries, more offloads, more tackle busts, and had to make less tackles.

Bradford made more attacking kicks & kicks in general play, more runs from dummy half which produced several tries but they had to make 46 more tackles and had more missed tackles.

Penalties were 12 each.

Leeds Total points 32
Tries 6
Goals 4
Drop Goals 0
Meters 1387
Carries 222
Tackles 264
Offloads 18
Attacking Kicks 9
Runs from dummy half 30
Tackle Busts 24
Marker tackles 40
Clean Breaks 6
Forty twenty 0
Kicks in general play 14
Missed goals 3
Missed tackles 4
Errors 17
Penalties 12
Red cards 0
Yellow cards 1


Bradford Total points 28
5 Tries
4 Goals
0 Drop Goals
1322 Meters
203 Carries
310 Tackles
11 Offloads
14 Attacking Kicks
46 Runs from dummy half
17 Tackle Busts
56 Marker tackles
5 Clean Breaks
0 Forty twenty
20 Kicks in general play
1 Missed goals
3 Missed tackles
20 Errors
12 Penalties
0 Red cards
0 Yellow cards

I am not sure of the exact law on this, but my understanding is that for a try to be disallowed because another player is downfield - that player has to have been downfield at the previous play the ball.

Are you saying this happed here?

Buderus passed the ball back before it was hacked on for Leuluai to score

Wow, you'd do that . . . for me?

Should I feel honoured?



I can't tell you how much this means to me. And, what's more, if ever there should come a time when I feel the need to discuss referring decisions with you, then I would definitely take you up on your wonderful offer.



=#FF4000Quick, WTF is a "referring decision", anyone?

Having just got back from Cardiff and read everybody’s posts I thought I would put my 2p in


With 9 new signings on show I thought we produced a very promising display against a team with only 1 new signing and far more game time together than us, yes we should have kept the lead but that’s rugby. A number of decisions went against us but that’s something we have no control over, quite a few Rhinos fans I have spoken with know they were lucky to come away with a win


We can only get better with more game time, next time I am sure Leeds will not be so fortunate as they had been on Sunday, as for the rest of the of SL the Bulls are back so watch out

Bless!

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