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| Quote ="vbfg"He had a go for sure on Sunday. Until he threw *that* pass he was doing a lot of organising and talking and people were doing what he said. But of course, then everyone collectively fell off a cliff together.'"
And that's the point in the game where your leaders should be taking charge. We just don't seem to have anyone that takes that role with Sidlow missing.
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| I think we are all looking at this in terms of success as a club rather than a business. First thing we need to understand that Marc Greene is not a rugby man. I suspect that when the RFL pulled the rug from under the "3 Amigos" at the last moment they thought that Greene was safer from a financial point of view. It would be interesting to know if he was made any promises regarding the leasehold of the ground to get him to agree. Knowing nothing about rugby he then had Ferres pushed in his direction to "assist".
Given that the main aim of this scenario is to avoid the Bulls going into administration again the plan has (so far) been successful. But has the the Topic says "Where do we go from here?". The answer to this is how deep are Greene's pockets, how much does he want to put into the Bulls, and most importantly, despite his repeated claim that he is in it for the long run, what were his initial reasons for getting into bed with the RFL?
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| Well it appears today that SF will pursue with rigor a no 7 and that JL is still the man according to the Board.Prudence has to be applauded,but surely alienating the fans that contribute a vital revenue stream, also has to be recognised in decision taking.This is supposedly,an entertainment industry after all.I think the Club need to be more open and issue a statement of intent to appease the supporters disillusionment.Performances don't stack up to that of a slick,well run professional outfit that other clubs should fear.You would be forgiven for thinking,enough is enough,but hey....it's all very manageable right now.Being negative isn't for me,but it's hard to understand recent results.
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| Quote ="rugbyreddog"I think we are all looking at this in terms of success as a club rather than a business. First thing we need to understand that Marc Greene is not a rugby man. I suspect that when the RFL pulled the rug from under the "3 Amigos" at the last moment they thought that Greene was safer from a financial point of view. It would be interesting to know if he was made any promises regarding the leasehold of the ground to get him to agree. Knowing nothing about rugby he then had Ferres pushed in his direction to "assist".
Given that the main aim of this scenario is to avoid the Bulls going into administration again the plan has (so far) been successful. But has the the Topic says "Where do we go from here?". =#FF0000The answer to this is how deep are Greene's pockets, how much does he want to put into the Bulls, and most importantly, despite his repeated claim that he is in it for the long run, what were his initial reasons for getting into bed with the RFL?'"
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| Quote ="atomic"Correct...'"
Green has been up-front about the fact he wants to run the club as a business and doesn't want to put large amounts into it; that's to say he wants it to be be self financing. That said, this is a sports club and they have the reputation of being holes, down which money is poured, and he clearly has already put money in and and maybe will again if if needs dictate - after all, I'd assume he won't want to lose his investment, which he would if the club were to go to the wall.
The question is really how far can he let it go. Lose the fans and sponsors lose interest, at which point the finances no longer stack up and we can all work out the end of that particular story.
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| Indeed. The club is a financial blackhole until we get into a nice smart new stadium and regain SL status. Can't see either of those things around the corner
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| Rumour [url=http://www.loverugbyleague.com/news_21497-off-the-record-rugby-league-rumour-and-gossip-30.htmlHERE[/url on LoveRugbyLeague that Morrison is being lined up to replace Lowes if things don't improve.
Although they also think Gaskell has another year left on his contract after this season, which I didn't think was correct, so maybe take it for what it's worth.
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| If we ever do get a new stadium the statue outside should be of Stephen Byers with his balls cut off, stuffed into a Tesco bag for life and hung around his neck.
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| Always funny when people start talking about sports clubs being "run as a business" and "investment". Surely everyone understands it is simply not like that? Sign up to run a club, sign up to a black hole, which will greedily suck in whatever money you leave in the vicinity, that's it.
Nobody but nobody ever makes a "profit" from their "investment" and if universal advice exists then to every club owner in the world - get out now and cut your losses!
No owner can truly make a club only spend what income it receives, because this is impossible, all have to draw on outside funds, beg borrow or steal. That is not to say you shouldn't have a businesslike approach, of course you should and I'd wager ours is much improved on recent administrations but that said, we must surely still be piszing loads of cash down the drain, and somebody surely must be constantly dipping into somewhere to keep funding it. This is not just us. This is every club. Please people, be realistic.
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| Quote ="HamsterChops":9ilkkwoaRumour [url=http://www.loverugbyleague.com/news_21497-off-the-record-rugby-league-rumour-and-gossip-30.html:9ilkkwoaHERE[/url:9ilkkwoa on LoveRugbyLeague that Morrison is being lined up to replace Lowes if things don't improve.
Although they also think Gaskell has another year left on his contract after this season, which I didn't think was correct, so maybe take it for what it's worth.'" to the best of my knowledge.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Always funny when people start talking about sports clubs being "run as a business" and "investment". Surely everyone understands it is simply not like that? Sign up to run a club, sign up to a black hole, which will greedily suck in whatever money you leave in the vicinity, that's it.
Nobody but nobody ever makes a "profit" from their "investment" and if universal advice exists then to every club owner in the world - get out now and cut your losses!
No owner can truly make a club only spend what income it receives, because this is impossible, all have to draw on outside funds, beg borrow or steal. That is not to say you shouldn't have a businesslike approach, of course you should and I'd wager ours is much improved on recent administrations but that said, we must surely still be piszing loads of cash down the drain, and somebody surely must be constantly dipping into somewhere to keep funding it. This is not just us. This is every club. Please people, be realistic.'"
All clubs cost money to run, they are, as you say, a bit of a black hole when it comes to cash. The decision is really, do you want to just tread water, stay afloat and hopefully not go too far backwards or do you really want to challenge. Treading water is the easy, far less costly, option whilst challenging is where the event horizon makes an appearance, sometimes at close quarters.
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| Quote ="Bulliac"Gasky is signed until end of next season [2017 to the best of my knowledge.'"
I was under the impression he was out after this one. T&A article [url=http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/14306783.Star_man_Gaskell__I_could_pen_new_Bradford_Bulls_deal/HERE[/url seems to suggest same.
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| Gaskell signed a 2 year deal pretty much as soon as we were confirmed as relegated IIRC. (I would be very happy to be wrong here though) In fact most of the squad we retained from SL at that time ended up on 2 year deals. Worryingly - especially considering our current form - we have very few players contracted for 2017 as it stands.
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| I hope the rumours about Morrison are true.
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| Quote ="Bulliac"...The decision is really, do you want to just tread water, stay afloat and hopefully not go too far backwards or do you really want to challenge...'"
But no decision to be made in our case, well, except for anyone who may I suppose be out there who is prepared to accept us "hopefully not going too far backwards" and becoming another Batley, Hunslet or whatever.
That is not an option for us. Many reasons, first and foremost there would be no appetite for it, crowds of 300 beckon. Second, we are already straining all financial sense being at Odsal on 4000 crowds, we urgently have to get back to previous levels for there to be any chance at all of a Bulls team playing from Odsal.
I think I am the same as most people, in that I am not interested in some ised parody of a Bulls team limping in the lower reaches of the leagues, if our city can no longer make a SL club work then better to pack it in altogether than have a thousand Northern/Bulls legends and a million Northern/Bulls fans spinning in their graves.
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| Quote ="Bullseye"I hope the rumours about Morrison are true.'"
I don't see point in waiting. We'll probably beat Dewsbury and Workington who are ravaged by injuries. Then i'm sure we'll be told everything is OK again. But i don't think Lowes is the man to coach us to victories over tougher opposition (which he has failed in every single time this year)
For me i'm going to be watching our attack closely next two game. For me in attack we either score from a crash ball or a kick. We're just not scoring tries with good rugby & passing.
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What will you do for the other 78 minutes? (And I'm being charitable. Attack? We can't handle attack)
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| I expect us to scrape past an injury ravaged Dewsbury. I’m not sure that an unconvincing performance is what we need though.
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| Quote ="Bullseye"I hope the rumours about Morrison are true.'"
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"But no decision to be made in our case, well, except for anyone who may I suppose be out there who is prepared to accept us "hopefully not going too far backwards" and becoming another Batley, Hunslet or whatever.
That is not an option for us. Many reasons, first and foremost there would be no appetite for it, crowds of 300 beckon. Second, we are already straining all financial sense being at Odsal on 4000 crowds, we urgently have to get back to previous levels for there to be any chance at all of a Bulls team playing from Odsal.
I think I am the same as most people, in that I am not interested in some ised parody of a Bulls team limping in the lower reaches of the leagues, if our city can no longer make a SL club work then better to pack it in altogether than have a thousand Northern/Bulls legends and a million Northern/Bulls fans spinning in their graves.'"
Well, we've had a bit more success than a Batley or Hunslet, even discounting the SL years, but that is, more or less, what we have been for most of the club's life - it may be a shock to some, but it's the glittering success of latter years that is the aberration, not the current position. Hunslet were once efore my time one of the great clubs of the game btw, but nothing is forever.
IIRC, we were only ever getting crowds of 300ish in 1963, an earlier bad time which led to collapse. No-one wants to go back to part-time rugby, with gates of that size, and certainly not me, but is infinitely preferable to [ino[/i rugby though, so if that happens, well, qué sera sera. I suspect gates would remain a fair deal better than that though, given a reasonable side for its division.
Of course, you're correct to think a city the size of Bradford should be able to support a top division team and I'm sure it will again. Though I do confess to wondering just when, to be honest.
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| Quote ="Bulliac"Well, we've had a bit more success than a Batley or Hunslet, even discounting the SL years, but that is, more or less, what we have been for most of the club's life - it may be a shock to some, but it's the glittering success of latter years that is the aberration, not the current position. Hunslet were once efore my time one of the great clubs of the game btw, but nothing is forever.
IIRC, we were only ever getting crowds of 300ish in 1963, an earlier bad time which led to collapse. No-one wants to go back to part-time rugby, with gates of that size, and certainly not me, but is infinitely preferable to [ino[/i rugby though, so if that happens, well, qué sera sera. I suspect gates would remain a fair deal better than that though, given a reasonable side for its division.'"
Gates of what, where, though?
It isn't preferable to me at all, to me, we would have done a Park Avenue, and kept the name but changed the soul. We would no longer be the Bulls, and we would be playing out of Horsfall or somewhere, and to me there is no point in that. If others would be prepared to revert to basically watching a pub team then fine but not me.
I would very happily be a fan of teams like Batley, Dewsbury, Keighley or Fev if I lived in those places as they do great with the hands they're dealt. But not the Bulls.
You do Bulls/Northern a great disservice. Apart from a single season, Northern were never outside the top flight, and cyclically were a formidable team for much of their existence. But I followed them through plenty of thin as well as thick, and that wasn't the point. That was then, this is now, and if anybody should be a SL club, or a club like Leigh with genuine SL ambitions, then it's now us. If we are no longer trying, and want to descend to the bottom, then that doesn't wash with me. I'd much rather watch a team at the same bottom level but with 10% of the resources actual or potential and working its balls off to be the best it can.
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But I am not sure. I honestly fear the writing is on the wall. I don't see a way out of it. Promotion is a distant pipedream this year and I don't think we'll survive next year.
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| Quote ="Bullseye"I expect us to scrape past an injury ravaged Dewsbury. I’m not sure that an unconvincing performance is what we need though.'"
Steve Ganson has certainly helped us out in appointing James Child.
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| Dewsbury were going toe to toe with Leigh for about 60 minutes until Leigh up'd a gear and blew them away.
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| Quote ="roofaldo2"Dewsbury were going toe to toe with Leigh for about 60 minutes until Leigh up'd a gear and blew them away.
Expect a similar story when we play them, only for Dewsbury to be the one to up a gear and destroy us'"
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From the interview with Morrison I heard on Radio Leeds on the way home on Sunday, he argued that it was the combined effect of being short-handed due to injuries, and the effects of the Easter programme on a small squad of part-time players, that led to Leigh basically running away with it.
With a full week of rest - together with their desire to put one over on the (perceived) big boys from up the road at Odsal - will doubtless mean that they'll come at us all guns blazing on Sunday
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