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| Sounds just like us a few months back, chin up guys, all the best.
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| Thanks for the summary, wish I could have made it now. Did anyone hear how big the hole is?
As someone said, here we go again, and who the hell do we believe! I guess one action which may indicate where the truth lies is the RFL failing to endorse Whitcutt as a right & proper person. That's the only thing I can hold onto tonight to hope we have people now who know what they are doing and being honest with all stakeholders.
I guess the one thing missing tonight is what actions they are doing to try and increase revenue (another appeal??), the current strategy seems to be about cost cuts!
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| - many thanks bullinmyeye for such a quick and clear report.
Of course the position we are in is worrying and many of us will be angry.
In your comment "Clear that previous owners did not know how to run the club in best way. They eventually realised this and tried to get the right people in to run it but it was too late in season and GM did things behind OK and clubs back " who is GM.?
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| Quote ="Bullnorthern"- many thanks bullinmyeye for such a quick and clear report.
Of course the position we are in is worrying and many of us will be angry.
In your comment "Clear that previous owners did not know how to run the club in best way. They eventually realised this and tried to get the right people in to run it but it was too late in season and GM did things behind OK and clubs back " who is GM.?'"
General Manager Mr. Whitcutt I believe
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| Quote ="bullinenemyland"The most moronic comment i've ever heard you come out with... perhaps rather than listening to the trolls you should start listening to those who have heard the info first hand!!!'"
I'd like to have heard it first hand but this board who now need fan's more than ever decide to alienate a certain (non god like super fans who aren't good enough to breath the same air as ST holders) section.
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| Quote ="Bullnorthern"I think that bad news as now reported above does not warrant the word hooray.'"
Not the time to be arguing among ourselves, so I'll just let you know it was something called sarcasm. I'm thoroughly annoyed with the nonsense we're yet again being put through because of charlatans "running"our club. At least the latest bunch seem to be realists but it looks like we are going to have to swallow some pretty bitter medicine over the next few years.
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| Quote ="Stul"Wow. That's quite a claim.
Thanks for the notes. What's your gut feel after tonight?'"
haha... well there have been a lot to choose from hasn't there!!! Lol
My gut feeling is that these guys are business men who will not spend more than the club can afford which can only be good for the long term future of the club.
I've just remembered that they said that they all had an option to walk away from the club on Friday when the fullness of the issues had been finalised but they said they were confident they were the people to turn it around.
There were no wild promises given. It was a stark view of the issues and nothing more. All they asked is that the past is the past and that they hoped people would give them a chance without assuming the worst in them.
My gut says that they are honest decent people who are going to have a good go at making things work.
A guy in the room suggested that they had the backing of the room and the majority applauded this so I think the general feeling was the same.
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| For the players, guess key question is who have gaps in their cap AND can afford the players they may want, namely Kearney, Sammut, Carvell etc., so all the moneybags clubs may be powerless at the present time.
Given we have been told cuts made in all departments, does that mean implementing salary cuts, which mean contracts are probably null & void, unless they resign a new one. The valuable players would probably only sign a 1 year contract at reduced rates in that scenario, if they can't find another club, yet more massive instability, assuming we make it through 2014!
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| Bullinenemyland summarises the forum pretty well. Much criticism of Whitcutt and OK which may lead to legal action being taken. Stressed on a couple of occasions that the RFL have been kept fully in the picture and they are happy with the remaining directors and the way they are taking action to resolve the issues.
The financial guy said they were now aware of the size of the problem and actions however unpalatable were being taken across the business to rectify the issues. The finance guy Andrew ? comes across as a shrewd cookie.
I asked if in light of tonights disclosures, was the size of the squad now the same size it would be come kick off. Franny replied It would depend on how the issues were resolved.
A bad night for sure, but I have to say I at least felt that this board have a grip on things now, which I never felt when Whitcutt was the main man.
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| Quote ="BeechwoodBull"Bullinenemyland summarises the forum pretty well. Much criticism of Whitcutt and OK which may lead to legal action being taken. Stressed on a couple of occasions that the RFL have been kept fully in the picture and they are happy with the remaining directors and the way they are taking action to resolve the issues'"
Be good to hear the RFL endorse that wouldn't it
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| As much as the haters are gonna hate, the sad fact that some of our new breed of superfan cannot accept is that I have called it right far more often than not for years in regard to the carry on at the club. It is so easy to see, even from up here how much of a joke we are as a club.
We really have some of the thickest fans on the planet. Nice to see some of them sticking together and putting the collective brain cell to use for once.
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| was there any mention of the Summer concert season or if Belinda and Rick were going to headline?
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| Waiting for the apologies after the comments made towards me! To roofwhateVer and a few others i dont give one! Bet koppy and whitehead and bateman having a laugh tonight!
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| Waiting for the apologies after the comments made towards me! To roofwhateVer and a few others i dont give one! Bet koppy and whitehead and bateman having a laugh tonight!
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| You sound a couple of months behind us. Hard-nosed pragmatism seems to have turned us round pretty quickly, a willingness to off-load the high earners and get the books straight. It sounds like you have much of the same. It's going to be an interesting winter.
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| Looks like Kearny has gone looking at his twitter he says he's currently in transit back to oz and arrives tomorrow
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| Thanks to Bullinenemyland for the summary. Here we go again.
Quote ="mystic eddie"As much as the haters are gonna hate, the sad fact that some of our new breed of superfan cannot accept is that I have called it right far more often than not for years in regard to the carry on at the club. It is so easy to see, even from up here how much of a joke we are as a club.
We really have some of the thickest fans on the planet. Nice to see some of them sticking together and putting the collective brain cell to use for once.'"
Eddie, yes you were right about OK, but is that really the point at the moment? Hopefully this next corner we turn will be the one to stop us being the basket case of a club we've been since about 2008/9.
Gutterfax, you were right about Whitcock, but do you need to sound so ing happy about our troubles?
Quote ="Slugger McBatt" You sound a couple of months behind us. Hard-nosed pragmatism seems to have turned us round pretty quickly, a willingness to off-load the high earners and get the books straight. It sounds like you have much of the same. It's going to be an interesting winter. '"
Yep, what we should have done first time around, but thats easy to say with hindsight. Hopefully we'll both come out the other end in a healthier state for the long term....providing we survive the short term!
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| Quote ="mystic eddie"As much as the haters are gonna hate, the sad fact that some of our new breed of superfan cannot accept is that I have called it right far more often than not for years in regard to the carry on at the club. It is so easy to see, even from up here how much of a joke we are as a club.
We really have some of the thickest fans on the planet. Nice to see some of them sticking together and putting the collective brain cell to use for once.'"
New breed of superfan eh??? Someone has an active imagination!!!
There is a clear difference between making comments on facts and then making accusations based on assumptions.
There was a clear message tonight... the rumour mill has not and will not help the club come back from the brink. Everyone had their suspicions but don't think for one minute that you have the moral high ground here just because you chose to shout it about without having the full facts and then fell lucky.
Can I ask you... what can the new owners do to get your backing now? Its a genuine question and one I am keen to know as I'm lost with your constant criticism of anything associated with the club.
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| Previous regime in blame shocker
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| Quote ="MrPhilb"Previous regime in blame shocker'"
TBF we have more than our fair share of people to blame. We can take our pick
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| Mystic Eddie - you are a "shirt front" (cockney rhyming), please feel to look me out at any home game that you may attend and we can continue this debate then.
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| Quote ="bullinenemyland"New breed of superfan eh??? Someone has an active imagination!!!
There is a clear difference between making comments on facts and then making accusations based on assumptions.
There was a clear message tonight... the rumour mill has not and will not help the club come back from the brink. Everyone had their suspicions but don't think for one minute that you have the moral high ground here just because you chose to shout it about without having the full facts and then fell lucky.
Can I ask you... what can the new owners do to get your backing now? Its a genuine question and one I am keen to know as I'm lost with your constant criticism of anything associated with the club.'"
Fell lucky?????????
It was obvious. It always has been.
I criticise the club because they deserve the criticism, and they have done for some time. They have made a mug of you and many more who have blindly followed and believed the bull they have told you. I did not get lucky. I said it as I saw it. Had I been wrong then I am sure that RL Fans may have been told to censor it. They did not.
Duffy's comments about McGuire are what I alluded to in page 8. That was some time ago when he and his wee buddy found it funny to mock the supporters of the club. You probably know nothing about that though. What kind of club employee would do that? Seriously?
Nice to see he was reading this thread all the same. No case for the defence Mr Duffy.
The new regime have a lot of work to do. It ain't their fault they have been dumped in the brown stuff by charlatans. Hopefully they can rebuild the bridges.
I have not been taken in by them. Plenty did. No need to have a pop at me because I had the courage to speak out about them. Read the thread I started months ago about us being the most dis likable team in SL. That was not lucky, and it was not for the benefit of hindsight. I called it as I saw it. I was right.
Had this been Leeds then I reckon your opinion would be quite the opposite of what it is. Our club are a disgrace, and we deserve to face the sanctions that our fans would call for had it been someone else.
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| Quote ="staffbull1973"Mystic Eddie - you are a "shirt front" (cockney rhyming), please feel to look me out at any home game that you may attend and we can continue this debate then.'"
Resorting to insults. Sure fire way of admitting you have no argument.
Awful effort.
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