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| Quote ="Adeybull"You are the liar sunshine. Your statements are inaccurate.'"
They pretty much sum up the ransom note you were all given.
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| Quote ="vbfg"I thought they needed it this weekend or game over. That's what they told us, or it's what they very muvh tried to paint a picture of if not actually saying it. That's why the promised an announcement today.
I've gone from being on the verge of a nervous breakdown to wishing I hadn't pledged and back again in the last fifteen minutes. Given the complete lack of trust it's possible to have in these people I have nothing but the assurances of liars and people who have been wrong that any of this is real. And when it comes to crunch time the announcement is that there is no announcement. There goes any prospect of closure.
I'm really very angry indeed with these morons now. If they haven't learnt yet not to outright lie to us like this yet then there is no hope for them.'"
What the hell does start or end of the weekend make? Apart from the chance to actually achieve the figure? Would folk have preferred it to fail?
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| Does anyone want them to call in the Pledges and then fail. Please be patient and yes I'm frustrated too.
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"They pretty much sum up the ransom note you were all given.'"
With the greatest of respect, what the hell has this got to do with you?
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| This is typical of the past 4 years of mixed communication from Hood, if we thought he was going to change how wrong we are
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| IMHO i think making 5pm yesterday the deadline for pledges was a good idea it gives the club 2-3 days to go through all the pledges, all the fundraising activities, count the money from the leeds game and make sure every amount has been accounted for, so they dont come out and say we have made the £500k when in fact they have made £480k but someone miss counted and got the amount wrong.
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| Quote ="Adeybull"With the greatest of respect, what the hell has this got to do with you?'"
Because, like you, I'm one of the idiots that's pledged. Thanks.
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"Because, like you, I'm one of the idiots that's pledged. Thanks.'"
Thanks for the pledge. Hopefully it's kept the club running. We'll know either way before long.
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| Quote ="Adeybull"What the hell does start or end of the weekend make? Apart from the chance to actually achieve the figure? Would folk have preferred it to fail?'"
Why didn't they make the deadline the 9th right from the start. How much more could we have raised by organising some additional fund raising activities over this Easter weekend?
There is now no time to do any of that. It's just poor planning, that is all. But it can easily be construed as being deceptive rather than clumsy.
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| Quote ="just_browny"It'd be tempting to wonder whether they've already met the target and are using the 'just short' message to capitalise while the Bulls fans have got their wallets open. Certainly now they've got the Bullbuilder folk onside it makes sense to keep going and make a few bob out of it.'"
BullBuilder are onside about saving the club from administration. As our statements throughout have made clear, we have not endorsed any party's actions, we just believe that administration would be potentially disastrous and have been doing our best to help avoid it.
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| They've given an announcement on the total, and extended it to get a push for the last 20k.
Don't see the problem. We'd all love for the nightmare to be over now, but if we need a bit longer then we'll have to wait.
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| Quote ="Adeybull"What the hell does start or end of the weekend make? Apart from the chance to actually achieve the figure? Would folk have preferred it to fail?'"
Yes Adey, I would have preferred it to fail. That's very clearly why I am upset at having been lied to yet again by this moron who's asking for us to to place our faith in him.
What an idiotic question.
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| Quote ="Bullseye"I think we just need to chill. It's too close to call and would be madness to say we've fallen short with only £20k to raise and the banks not opening until Tuesday morning. I guess the delay is because it's so close.
The big elephant in the room is where the other £500k is coming from.'"
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We'll get the £500K over the Weekend without a shadow of a doubt. There'll be enough pledges, extra pledges, buckets of money that got lost behind the sofa, undeclared sponsor money etc etc... we'll get to the total, no problem
But there are still some interesting times ahead, for sure
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"Because, like you, I'm one of the idiots that's pledged. Thanks.'"
OK in that case you answer is irrefutable and so you of course have every right to express an opinion. And thank you for you support.
But please everyone...they are damned if they do and damned if they do not!
Ryan told me yesterday that there are several exciting things very imminent, and that the next couple of days will be very interesting. I know no more than that, so make of it what you will.
But what would everyone else have done in their shoes if so close?
Remember: you can't pay salaries and PAYE when the banks are closed!
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| Quote ="vbfg"Yes Adey, I would have preferred it to fail. That's very clearly why I am upset at having been lied to yet again by this moron who's asking for us to to place our faith in him.
What an idiotic question.'"
Not an idiotic question at all. What would YOU have done?
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| If they'd said they'll give the total when they'd counted it and made sure there were no mistakes then that would be fine. That's not an outright lie. What they did was give a time and a place when asking for our continued trust and then despite everything failed to deliver.
It might seem stupid to you for me to get annoyed about this because after all, what does a weekend flanked by bank holidays matter? It doesn't. The lies and promises they can't keep matter.
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| You have to smile at some folk. If the club had come out today and said we've raised £500,134 we would have folk coming here claiming the figure was false and bashing the club. They give the closest estimate as possible and an honest one and people still bloody moan. If we want to be bluntly honest, we've failed.. should Hood have just come out and said 'sorry guys but you've not quite hit the 500k so off to admin we go'?
The truth is, we need as much money as we can possibly raise, 500k was just the bare minimum.
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| Quote ="Bully_Boxer"You have to smile at some folk. If the club had come out today and said we've raised £500,134 we would have folk coming here claiming the figure was false and bashing the club. They give the closest estimate as possible and an honest one and people still bloody moan. If we want to be bluntly honest, we've failed.. should Hood have just come out and said 'sorry guys but you've not quite hit the 500k so off to admin we go'?
The truth is, we need as much money as we can possibly raise, 500k was just the bare minimum.'"
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| Quote ="Adeybull"What would YOU have done?'"
Here's an example of a promise I can keep:
I will never ask you if, instead of getting what you were told you'd get, you'd have preferred the club to go under.
Easy to make promises you can keep.
You keep fighting for the right to be lied to if you want to. I'm through with it. If you want to use the to question if I want the club to survive or not then go right ahead, but I'm going to exercise my right of thinking of you as someone who asks stupid rhetorical questions.
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| Quote ="Bully_Boxer"You have to smile at some folk. If the club had come out today and said we've raised £500,134 we would have folk coming here claiming the figure was false and bashing the club. They give the closest estimate as possible and an honest one and people still bloody moan. If we want to be bluntly honest, we've failed.. should Hood have just come out and said 'sorry guys but you've not quite hit the 500k so off to admin we go'?
The truth is, we need as much money as we can possibly raise, 500k was just the bare minimum.'"
Spot on. What the club has tried to do is maximise its chances. Setting the deadline of last night was clearly to galvanise support ahead of the Leeds game. It was never going to be the HMRC deadline was it? 5pm on a non-working day which is followed by 3 more days off?
Did it work? 20821 through the gate rather suggests it did the trick to some degree. Unfortunately we still have some way to go so of course the fight continues.
I can only imagine the response if Hood had said "right, that's it. We gave it a shot and failed. Let's wait until Tuesday so we can tell the powers that be."
I'm not sure where that extra 20k is coming from as nobody has organised any events, everyone no doubt has family commitments and businesses will be largely inactive but clearly Messrs Hood, Duckett et al think there's a chance, so I guess we have to wait in hope.
I will follow the advice of my newly acquired key-ring and "Keep Calm and Save the Bulls"
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| Quote ="vbfg"Here's an example of a promise I can keep:
I will never ask you if, instead of getting what you were told you'd get, you'd have preferred the club to go under.
Easy to make promises you can keep.'"
So had they kept to their undertaking and made the announcement today, they would have had to say we had failed. And, to avoid being seen as liars, they would have had to have said they were not calling in the pledges, since they promised they would not do so if they had not raised £500k. And administration next week.
Which promise would you have preferred them to have kept? Making the final announcement today, and not calling in the pledges? Or not make the final announcement today and leave us with a chance?
Surely we should put the future of the club ahead of having to worry ourselves silly for two more days?
They could NOT have called the pledges in as it stands without breaking their biggest promise of all!
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| Quote ="vbfg"Here's an example of a promise I can keep:
I will never ask you if, instead of getting what you were told you'd get, you'd have preferred the club to go under.
Easy to make promises you can keep.
You keep fighting for the right to be lied to if you want to. I'm through with it. If you want to use the to question if I want the club to survive or not then go right ahead, but I'm going to exercise my right of thinking of you as someone who asks stupid rhetorical questions.'"
Hood et al have twisted and changed on their promises in just a week or so.
The 1m is not quite a million. Duckett says you have £250K then you don't. The deadline on Friday shifts to Monday. the announcement fior haldf time becomes Saturday 11.30 am and then becomes Tuesday. Can a promise be kept? Is their word their bond?
Some Hood apologists will defend this shambles. Bulls fans and pledgers should be able to trust the words out of the mouths of those in power. Why should anyone believe these people have a plausible plan for the fduture?
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| I've said all along that the deadline should NOT have been before the Leeds game, why stop a deadline to pull in funds before one of the biggest games of the year. They should have done a text in/call back for the pledges throughout the game and they would have had many more pledges coming in just because of the momentum of the excitement during and after the game.
There will have been many people who left the game last night who hadn't pledged but wanted to after the result, maybe even pledge again, but everyone thought the pledge was closed and were all looking towards the result today. It should have always been open to at least Sunday to capitalise on the Leeds game and once the deadline ends the website pledging page should be removed and no more taken so a figure can be counted, then if they are short issue a statement saying pledge are re-open, instead the deadline came, pledges never closed but nobody knew.
It is a good idea to keep the pledge open but it has been handled poorly.
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| I think we just all need to calm down. Am I annoyed right now? Yes, I think it is all very bad PR. I think it looks bad to those looking from the outside in who we want investment from, as we keep moving the goal posts. However, after getting £480k I would say 20k should be achieveable. I am not sure how many people are off to Widnes, but as of yesterday morning (if Bulls were selling tickets in numerical order) only 300 tickets had been sold! We should be selling the full 600. Also, under 18s and Wyke are playing today, this should draw in a bit of money. The Northern pub on Halifax Rd has a big fundraiser tonight too for the club, so still a lot that can be done.
Adey, any chance of doing Bucket collections on Monday?
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