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| I'll gladly contribute.
Also have Paypal account/willing to help where I can.
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| I think a paypal account would be a massive bonus. It's a lot easier to make a contribution online without messing about writing cheques and posting them off.
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| Quote ="Adeybull"Setting up this proposed sponsorship activity will mean setting up an agreement, an organisation and a structure through which to channel it, including IMO a bank account. IMO you really do NOT want to be using an individual's private bank account for this purpose, for all sorts of reasons I won't bore people with on here.
There is of course the alternative of using an existing, if dormant, vehicle for doing this. You COULD reactivate BISA, primarily for this purpose. This would probably save a load or reinventing the wheel, taking advantage of a shedload of work that the initial committee did. You could not just use the bank account in isolation.
If you DID want to pursue this alternative, there would be some practical issues to address - not least that you'd need to revive BISA as an entity first, and appoint a new committee. And new signatories and a new bank mandate (that might itself be less easy than it sounds). And you would have to work on the prudent assumption that the bank would need to be happy that the new committee was legitimate and empowered, and that the activities were consistent with the BISA constitution.
These were the objects for which BISA was founded, as set out in its constitution (guess who wrote most of that...)
2.1 To work together as members with all other interested parties and partners to support Bradford Bulls RLFC (hereinafter referred to as ‘the Bulls’) and Rugby League clubs in the Bradford district and do everything possible to help them to remain highly successful Rugby League teams
2.2 To establish and maintain meaningful dialogue and communication with the Directors and Management of the Bulls and other interested parties to work together to further BISA’s objectives
2.3 To present the media with intelligent informed and reliable sources of comment and information on issues affecting Rugby League, the Bulls and BISA members
2.4 To establish and maintain high quality services and communications with and for BISA members and to foster links with other like-minded supporters of Professional Rugby League Clubs
My initial take (a friendly lawyer or, that usually being an oxymoron, else even a 'Vark, could confirm?
) is that the sponsorship would be OK under 2.1 Would need to consider the implications of not doing some of the other stuff, although the communication-with-club stuff discussed on another thread could be co-ordinated through a neo-BISA too, nicely hitting 2.2.
Anyway, I was reluctant to suggest this possibility before, but since you have sort of alluded to it then there you go.
If anyone wants more info on this then feel free to PM me. I suggest it might be worth thinking about. And there are some funds already there...'"
Couldn't we just meet up for a coffee or a meal or whatever somewhere and hand over the readies in person?
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| Quote ="Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza"Couldn't we just meet up for a coffee or a meal or whatever somewhere and hand over the readies in person?'"
For all those involved?
It'd be a bloody big table!
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| Quote ="Adeybull"Setting up this proposed sponsorship activity will mean setting up an agreement, an organisation and a structure through which to channel it, including IMO a bank account. IMO you really do NOT want to be using an individual's private bank account for this purpose, for all sorts of reasons I won't bore people with on here.
There is of course the alternative of using an existing, if dormant, vehicle for doing this. You COULD reactivate BISA, primarily for this purpose. This would probably save a load or reinventing the wheel, taking advantage of a shedload of work that the initial committee did. You could not just use the bank account in isolation.
If you DID want to pursue this alternative, there would be some practical issues to address - not least that you'd need to revive BISA as an entity first, and appoint a new committee. And new signatories and a new bank mandate (that might itself be less easy than it sounds). And you would have to work on the prudent assumption that the bank would need to be happy that the new committee was legitimate and empowered, and that the activities were consistent with the BISA constitution.
These were the objects for which BISA was founded, as set out in its constitution (guess who wrote most of that...)
2.1 To work together as members with all other interested parties and partners to support Bradford Bulls RLFC (hereinafter referred to as ‘the Bulls’) and Rugby League clubs in the Bradford district and do everything possible to help them to remain highly successful Rugby League teams
2.2 To establish and maintain meaningful dialogue and communication with the Directors and Management of the Bulls and other interested parties to work together to further BISA’s objectives
2.3 To present the media with intelligent informed and reliable sources of comment and information on issues affecting Rugby League, the Bulls and BISA members
2.4 To establish and maintain high quality services and communications with and for BISA members and to foster links with other like-minded supporters of Professional Rugby League Clubs
My initial take (a friendly lawyer or, that usually being an oxymoron, else even a 'Vark, could confirm?
) is that the sponsorship would be OK under 2.1 Would need to consider the implications of not doing some of the other stuff, although the communication-with-club stuff discussed on another thread could be co-ordinated through a neo-BISA too, nicely hitting 2.2.
Anyway, I was reluctant to suggest this possibility before, but since you have sort of alluded to it then there you go.
If anyone wants more info on this then feel free to PM me. I suggest it might be worth thinking about. And there are some funds already there...'"
IMO this exactly what we want to avoid - unless someone/s are prepared to do the leg work. Personally I'm happy just send Wiggy a cheque & leave it to him. I have paypal as well if that's easier.
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| Yes, sounds like using that account is hassle. Just PM details and I'll make payment however you want it (within reason )
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| Quote ="tigertot"IMO this exactly what we want to avoid - unless someone/s are prepared to do the leg work. Personally I'm happy just send Wiggy a cheque & leave it to him. I have paypal as well if that's easier.'"
I would not want to do it - as with Sam, served my time and learned the hard way!
As I said, I was reluctant to raise the possibility, but did in response to the question. As I said to WB in PM, there MAY be circumstances where having something already in place as a vehicle to co-ordinate might be easier. Don't think anyone would suggest resurrecting a full-blown ISA, but the guy asked about the bank account and I explained what IMO would be needed to use it.
There are some funds still in the account, which if not used for an original purpose of BISA will have to be sent to a local RL charity.
Depends on whether this sponsorship proposal stays modest (as now) or grows somewhat, I guess. However its done, there will be some co-ordination and agreement required, and maybe the odd decision or two - like IIRC sponsors of players get some privileges: how would they be dealt with?
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| I reckon the neatest way is cheques to the organiser, but made payable to Bradford Bulls. (So the Bulls get a pile of individual cheques, and the organiser doesn't need to "handle" money).
Those who prefer to use the PayPal route could transfer their funds to a like-minded person with a PayPal account as a purely personal and private business, and trust that person to in turn write a single cheque for the total contributions they have collected.
This way it is as easy as anyone wants it to be, and nothing has to be foirmalised or set up. Mr. paypalaccountholder could of course abscond with the money but we have agents worldwide and would find him.
I am firmly of the view that we decide on a total and then everyone contributes equally. Anyone with any surplus funds they want to give to the club there are a legion ways to do that. Given the numbers so far signed up, then just for example if we say £17.27 each that's £500+VAT.
Up to date list:-
1. Wigan Bull
2. MDF
3. Bulltastic
4. Adeybull
5. Bullseye
6. Maccbull BBB
7. Duckman
8. tigertot
9. anarkik
10. beefy 1
11. Bradford Badger
12. shaggoth
13. Bluesky
14. Benjcake
15. steam pig
16. Jimmybull
17. Redeveready
18. ex Bulldog
19. Gare Girl
20. Cookie
21. vbfg
22. Ferocious Aardvark
23. debaser
24. af
25. childofthenorthern
26. Bully Boxer
27. DILLIGAF
28. cieranblonde
29. andy p
30.tristram
31. Flip Flop
32. Highlander
33. Northern Lad
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| Could we add a Poll to the thread - what's the MAX you would contribute? And go with whatever figure works out closest to the lowest voted?
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| Add me to the list FA.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Could we add a Poll to the thread - what's the MAX you would contribute? And go with whatever figure works out closest to the lowest voted?'"
Good idea . . .. [ibut [/iwhat's to stop some (filth - choose what team you prefer. I have one in particular in mind ) fans from other clubs hijacking it and causing the cracking idea "issues" by cranking the cost up et al.
How about everyone on the list simply posts their preferred amount on this thread - or if people don't feel comfortable with that use PM.
Good idea over selecting figure to work with, imho, FA.
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| Yep, I'm with a few others in that it needs to be simple, other wise it will potentially scare people off.
Certainly with the distance, work, a young family, amoungst other things, anything more than we are talking about start to become difficult.
I propose:
-Player chosen by poll (of available players)
-Work out the cost per person
-Cheques sent to me payable to "Bradford Bulls"
-I send them all off and coordinate this with the club
-For 2011, the existing sponsors confirm if they are in or out and any new people are offered to join.
- A new cost is calculated and the same process carried out.
With regard to benefits, I've asked the club if we can exchange them for something we all benefit from e.g. a game in the coral stand.
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| I've been thinking about the player we should sponsor and why. Here are a few ideas:
1. Paul Deacon - for irony and humour reasons only
2. Up and comers have been mentioned - someone like Whitehead or Donaldson
3. The player least likely to get sponsored - that means we're more likely to be helping the club
4. The top scorers - then we get mentioned all the time - see above or whoever we think will bag most tries - probs Beaver at the moment
5. Bradfordian only rule - Halley, Koppy, Whitehead etc
What do you think?
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| Well with the amount of people agreeing to contribute we should easily cover the cost with say a set amount of £25?
If we raise more than the amount needed then that just goes to the club for them to use as they see fit. Perhaps scoreboard repairs?
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| Count me in too.
Also, if there is a genuine resurrection of the supporters assocation then please count me in for that as well - more than happy to commit time and money.
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| Quote ="ex Bull Dog"I've been thinking about the player we should sponsor and why. Here are a few ideas:
5. Bradfordian only rule - Halley, Koppy, Whitehead etc
What do you think?'"
Would prefer that.
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| Quote ="tigertot"Would prefer that.'" Not the Deacon option?
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| I think you will find that to sponsor any of the existing players will be near on impossible, The best bet will be one of the new players or any of the newly promoted juniors.
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| Quote ="redeverready"I think you will find that to sponsor any of the existing players will be near on impossible, The best bet will be one of the new players or any of the newly promoted juniors.'"
I was going to say that too - they will have existing sponsors most likely. Also, with so many players leaving you'd suspect the existing sponsors would get first tilt at the incomers (assuming we actually get some beyond those already announced). But, to be honest, I suspect most folk would prefer to sponsor an up-and-coming junior anyway?
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| Quote ="Wigan Bull"Yep, I'm with a few others in that it needs to be simple, other wise it will potentially scare people off.
Certainly with the distance, work, a young family, amoungst other things, anything more than we are talking about start to become difficult.
I propose:
-Player chosen by poll (of available players)
-Work out the cost per person
-Cheques sent to me payable to "Bradford Bulls"
-I send them all off and coordinate this with the club
-For 2011, the existing sponsors confirm if they are in or out and any new people are offered to join.
- A new cost is calculated and the same process carried out.
With regard to benefits, I've asked the club if we can exchange them for something we all benefit from e.g. a game in the coral stand.'"
Sounds good to me. Defo far easier if everything gets payable to the club and preferably by cheque - avoids the need for anyone to process the payments and a lot of the admin and legals that might otherwise arise.
I was getting a bit worried when people were talking about doing it all through PayPal or with a separate bank account - trust me...its far easier if all that can be avoided, as several on here have wisely said)
Just need a basic agreement - bit like a lottery syndicate thingie?
Incidentally, if the interest is sufficient, any reason why "the group" could not seek to sponsor two players? Maybe if both Burgesses got shirts next year...
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| You can count me in. As a regular reader but not much of a poster on this board i think this is one of the most positive things i have seen. Halifax do something very similiar so it might be worth having a word with someone at the Shay or on the Halifax forum. Good luck and well done Wigan Bull.
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| Incidentally, I fully agree with picking a young player. That's definitely where fans should be aiming imo.
Regarding Bradfordians btw, Crossley is one of those too, as he used to live round the corner from me.
The good thing about this too is that if the young player that is chosen makes the first team and ends up going on to decent things, we have first dibs on the sponsorship due to having them the previous year.
As far as an amount goes, I'm pretty much fine with whatever the general opinion is. As long as it's not up above the ton mark!
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| Quote ="Adeybull"I was going to say that too - they will have existing sponsors most likely. Also, with so many players leaving you'd suspect the existing sponsors would get first tilt at the incomers (assuming we actually get some beyond those already announced). But, to be honest, I suspect most folk would prefer to sponsor an up-and-coming junior anyway?'"
True, when I spoke to the club about this yesterday they were very keen on a fans group sponsoring a player but did point out that excisting sponsors choose to keep sponsorships first before any are made available. But, if we keep in touch we can get a "heads up" on what is available, and that there will be some definate availablity with the new players and promoted juniors TBA (But we don't get full choice of the squad)
Up and coming players is a good way to go for me, Olibson, Whitehead, one of the Burgesssss if they get a first team shirt etc (would love Halley but I suspect we have little to no chance of that). But we need to be led by info from the club closer to the date as to who we are choosing from.
I also strongly agree it needs to be as simple as possible, and the lotto syndicate is a good analogy. I also like the idea of making cheques payable to the Bulls, could make things much simpler for Wigan Bull?
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