Signed seal delievered, he's yours.

I think, given his age, he WILL count as home grown. But I think he has to stay at the club until he's 21 for it to count

diskin added to the list

Halley out for 6-8 months with knee reconstruction.

Mercenary yes, but on this basis is a waste of a spot and cap space. Spectacularly underwhelming in 2011, lost his zip, far too lateral on kick returns and defensively weak. Factor in the quality of Kearney, signing of Royston, Platty as back up and Halley is a Volvo in the garage.

updated with Halleys injury from September - cant believe i had missed it from the list (i must be getting slack)

Hard to see where Halley fits next season and beyond.

I'm concerned.

I've agreed with you twice in two days.

Tend to agree with that but in the short term i.e we may need him to comply with homegrown rules. whilst we have plenty of homegrown academy lads in 1st team squad I think we need 8 homegrown in the '25 man squad' which is the 25 highest earners. Ones I can think of that would fall in this bracket are

lynch
langley
sykes
halley
whitehead
kopczak

with maybe burgess twins,addy or o'brien sneaking in after there contract extensions last year and this year respectively

That we (and other clubs) are effectively forced to hold on to players who are both average and have negligible value brings into question the effectiveness of the rule. One can safely and logically, assume that it is to generate additional quality England eligible RL players.

In this case, it doesn't. Not even close to.

Factor in the farcical expected salary rise in eligible home based players and the salary cap concept becomes slightly ironic.

It doesn't have to be 25 top earners, just the 1st team squad of 25 we submit to the RFL, any players outside of this we have to ask to use them IIRC. So you could probably add Addy, Donaldson and Southenwood as home grown players likey to be in the 25.

think after re-reading rules a couple of times your right. Im mixing up the 25 man squad we submit to RFL as 1st team squad which counts for quota rules with the 25 top earners which counts toward salary cap rules.

as andy tate has now gone, he is now gone.

Herbert added to the list

Updated with Scully and Helliwell departures

worrincy now gone

Lynch?

Aye Lynch is a Cas product he's not one of ours.

finally got round to removing Glenn Hall, and I also took the liberty of removing Orford in preperation of it being confirmed.

I think there's 1 or 2 more there that have gone. Godwin and George Burgess at a quick glance.

Southernwood is NOT home grown we traded Kerian Hyde for him mid-way through last year.
Take G.Burgess off the list.
Sibbitt only has 1 year contract.

If Southernwood stays beyond his current deal he will class as home grown as I believe you have to spend 3 years at the club before you turn 21?

Correct, but I would assume as it stands right now, he's not Home Grown, as he's only been here half a year. If he does stay 3 years though, he will count as home grown then.

Although that may be completely wrong as the rules are that bloody confusing.....

It is bloody confusing, but Cain Southenwood can be classed as "home grown" if we wish. I think one of the confusions is the term "home grown". In the operational rules regarding the quota the phrase "home grown" is not used;

[ia Club’s First Team Squad, where that Club is in Super League, must consist of:

(a) a maximum of 5 players who satisfy none of the definitions of Club Trained, Federation
Trained or are working towards either classification.
(b) a minimum of 8 Club Trained Players or Academy Juniors working towards that
classification.
(c) the remainder being made up of Club Trained, Federation Trained Players or Academy
Juniors working towards either classification.[/i

Taken from - [url=http://www.therfl.co.uk/~rflmedia/docs/Part%202_Section%20B.pdfRFL op rules part B[/url

a) is "quota" b) is the "home grown" clause, where you need 8, c) is everyone else. The bit in bold in b) clearly states that any player under 21 working towards club trained status counts as one of the 8, so Southenwood could count as one of our 8 if we wanted him to as he is in the 1st team squad, under 21 and working towards club trained status.

.....but I might be wrong of course, if Cain can't get 3 full seasons in before he's ineligible for the under 21's can he be classed as working towards something he can never get??? I give up.

That document really wouldn't win an award for clear english though, its no wonder everyone is confused and loop holes are found.