|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Chairman | 4408 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Mar 2002 | 23 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Apr 2013 | Dec 2010 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| I worked out that we can still make it to the play-offs.
Is my calculation wrong or can we still make 25 points and leave Catalans and Wire on 24 if the results all go right for us?
I can't get onto any betting sites at work so I can't see if any of the bookies still have us to get there.
Are my maths wrong or can anyone let me know what the odds are?
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 12310 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Oct 2006 | 18 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Feb 2023 | Feb 2023 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| I think we could scrape them, but we would have to win every game and hope every result goes our way. It wouldn't hurt to win by alot either in case we finish on the same points, but they'd have to get a draw.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Coach | 7239 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Apr 2005 | 20 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Aug 2024 | Feb 2020 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| We are 5 points behind Warrington in 8th place and there are 8 points available.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 223 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jul 2008 | 16 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jun 2012 | Jun 2012 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| it not mathmatically impossible, but it is highly improbable
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Coach | 3859 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Feb 2005 | 20 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jul 2017 | Jul 2017 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="AndreaB"I worked out that we can still make it to the play-offs.
Is my calculation wrong or can we still make 25 points and leave Catalans and Wire on 24 if the results all go right for us?
I can't get onto any betting sites at work so I can't see if any of the bookies still have us to get there.
Are my maths wrong or can anyone let me know what the odds are?'"
Nope, you're quite right. All the teams on 22 can win one more game and then need to lose the rest, whilst we need to win all our games.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Coach | 7239 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Apr 2005 | 20 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Aug 2024 | Feb 2020 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Paul124897"Nope, you're quite right. All the teams on 22 can win one more game and then need to lose the rest, whilst we need to win all our games.'"
The biggest problem is that Wire and Quins play each other, meaning one of them has to get points out of it. That's why we HAVE to win all our games, 3 games just won't be enough.
That's as well as needing none of Wire, Quins or Catalans to win more than 1 out of 4 games.
It's all a bit too much to hope really.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Chairman | 10445 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Dec 2001 | 23 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
May 2022 | Aug 2013 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| I think it would be fitting if we missed out because of the one point we dropped in the final seconds of the first game of the season.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Moderator | 32023 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Dec 2001 | 23 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 2025 | Jan 2025 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
Moderator
|
| We're not consistent enough to get into the 8.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Chairman | 14145 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Dec 2001 | 23 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Aug 2020 | Oct 2019 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| I will reactivate my spreadsheet tonight - which I used to do precisely this a couple of weeks ago - and update and then report back - unless anyone else does it manually first. Alternatively, want me to send it to you Andrea?
Unless we win all 4 though, forget it. And even if we do, IIRC there may be just one or two permutations which would allow it - if that. Its likely a forlorn hope to be honest.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Coach | 7239 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Apr 2005 | 20 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Aug 2024 | Feb 2020 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Adeybull"I will reactivate my spreadsheet tonight - which I used to do precisely this a couple of weeks ago - and update and then report back - unless anyone else does it manually first. Alternatively, want me to send it to you Andrea?'"
I don't think it's needed. It's fairly clear looking at the fixtures and table.
If we lose one game, we can't make it.
If Quins, Wire or Catalans win more than 1 of their remaining games, we can't make it (unless for each one that wins more than 1, one of Wigan, Cas or Wakefield lose ALL of their remaining games).
And that's not even taking into account Hull.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Chairman | 14145 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Dec 2001 | 23 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Aug 2020 | Oct 2019 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="DILLIGAF"I don't think it's needed. It's fairly clear looking at the fixtures and table.
If we lose one game, we can't make it.
If Quins, Wire or Catalans win more than 1 of their remaining games, we can't make it (unless for each one that wins more than 1, one of Wigan, Cas or Wakefield lose ALL of their remaining games).
And that's not even taking into account Hull.'"
As long as that takes full account of who has still to play whom - for example whether one of those three will pick up two wins regardless just from games between themselves (draws excepting!) then that'll do for me!
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Coach | 7239 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Apr 2005 | 20 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Aug 2024 | Feb 2020 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Adeybull"As long as that takes full account of who has still to play whom - for example whether one of those three will pick up two wins regardless just from games between themselves (draws excepting!) then that'll do for me!'"
It does. Only Quins and Wire play each other from those 3 (them and Catalans), so one is guaranteed 1 win, but not 2.
Cas play Wigan too, so one of those 3 (them and Wakey) is guaranteed to get the 1 win they need to guarantee playoffs.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Chairman | 10445 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Dec 2001 | 23 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
May 2022 | Aug 2013 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="DILLIGAF"I don't think it's needed. It's fairly clear looking at the fixtures and table.
If we lose one game, we can't make it.
If Quins, Wire or Catalans win more than 1 of their remaining games, we can't make it (unless for each one that wins more than 1, one of Wigan, Cas or Wakefield lose ALL of their remaining games).
And that's not even taking into account Hull.'"
Hull are no worries because we play them, they're only one point ahead so if we do win all our games we will overtake them, guaranteed.
A little while back I said one side would drop out of the eight like a stone and that looks to be Quins.
Guess we're relying on Salford, Hull and Celtic pulling their fingers out. Which is a shame as if we'd removed our digit from our posteriors at various junctures, this would not be necessary.
Ah well, s'not over till it's over. At least Wire might have an eye off the ball.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Coach | 7239 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Apr 2005 | 20 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Aug 2024 | Feb 2020 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Let's just simplify it, coz I made everything way too complicated there.
1) If Bulls lose one single game, they can't make the playoffs.
2) If the Bulls win all their games then it will down to other teams games. What other teams need to do to avoid being caught by us:
Cas = Win 1
Wigan = Win 1
Wakefield = Win 1
Wire = Win 2
Quins = Win 2
Catalans = Win 2
We need to catch 3 of those 6. It's only possible to catch 5 of them, due to Cas playing Wigan, so one of them is bound to get a win (if we take draws out of the equation).
That's the bottom line on it all.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Chairman | 14145 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Dec 2001 | 23 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Aug 2020 | Oct 2019 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="DILLIGAF"It does. Only Quins and Wire play each other from those 3 (them and Catalans), so one is guaranteed 1 win, but not 2.
Cas play Wigan too, so one of those 3 (them and Wakey) is guaranteed to get the 1 win they need to guarantee playoffs.'"
In that case, and its nailed on, then NFAR and job sorted!
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Chairman | 10445 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Dec 2001 | 23 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
May 2022 | Aug 2013 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="DILLIGAF"1) If Bulls lose one single game, they can't make the playoffs.'"
Inconceivable.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 12310 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Oct 2006 | 18 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Feb 2023 | Feb 2023 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Huddersfield will be the hardest game, but they may be focussing on the cup (I hope). Catalans and Salford should be wins if we play like the 1st half at Quins and Hull isn't impossible.
Come on you bulls, go unbeaten for the rest of the season, through the play-offs and become the first team to win the GF from eighth
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Chairman | 14145 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Dec 2001 | 23 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Aug 2020 | Oct 2019 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Ewwenorfolk"Come on you bulls, go unbeaten for the rest of the season, through the play-offs and become the first team to win the GF from eighth
'"
Landlord...and a half of whatever he's had - don't think I dare risk a pint or ten...
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 8029 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jan 2008 | 17 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Dec 2024 | Dec 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Remaining games in the play-off chase:
WARRINGTON:
Wigan A LOSE
Wakefield H LOSE
Hull KR A LOSE
Harlequins H DRAW
HARLEQUINS:
Salford H LOSE
Hull A LOSE
Wigan A LOSE
Warrington H DRAW
CATALANS:
Hull H DRAW
Bradford A LOSE
Wakefield H LOSE
Saints A LOSE
HULL FC:
Catalans A DRAW
Quins H WIN
Wigan A LOSE
Bradford H LOSE
BRADFORD:
Hudds A WIN
Catalans H WIN
Salford H WIN
Hull A WIN
BULLS MAKE THE PLAY-OFFS
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 4564 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Dec 2005 | 19 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 2025 | Jan 2025 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Based on the season we've had, I predict we'll absolutely murder Huddersfield and Catalans, and then slip to a dismal defeat against Salford
Still, at least it will give us the Hull match to throw in some of the kids
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Chairman | 4408 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Mar 2002 | 23 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Apr 2013 | Dec 2010 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Adeybull"I will reactivate my spreadsheet tonight - which I used to do precisely this a couple of weeks ago - and update and then report back - unless anyone else does it manually first. Alternatively, want me to send it to you Andrea?
Unless we win all 4 though, forget it. And even if we do, IIRC there may be just one or two permutations which would allow it - if that. Its likely a forlorn hope to be honest.'"
hang on to it for now. I'm not that convinced it'll still be valid this time next week!
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Coach | 5880 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Mar 2005 | 20 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Oct 2024 | Oct 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Mick Gledhill"...'"
Only one draw in the first 23 rounds of the season, and you predict there to be two more within the final 4 rounds.
Wishful thinking to say the least
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Chairman | 4408 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Mar 2002 | 23 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Apr 2013 | Dec 2010 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| This was how I had the final games (fixtures from bbc sport, I'm assuming they're correct)
Leeds WIN v Castleford
Wigan WIN v Warrington
Catalans Dragons WIN v Hull
Harlequins RL v Salford WIN
Huddersfield v Bradford WIN
Hull KR v St Helens WIN
Wakefield WIN v Celtic Crusaders
Hull WIN v Harlequins RL
Salford v Hull KR WIN
St Helens WIN v Huddersfield
Celtic Crusaders v Leeds WIN
Bradford WIN v Catalans Dragons
Castleford WIN v Wigan
Warrington v Wakefield WIN
Leeds v St Helens WIN
Wigan WIN v Hull
Catalans Dragons v Wakefield WIN
Celtic Crusaders v Huddersfield WIN
Bradford WIN v Salford
Harlequins RL v Castleford WIN
Hull KR WIN v Warrington
Hull v Bradford WIN
Salford v Leeds WIN
St Helens WIN v Catalans Dragons
Castleford v Celtic Crusaders WIN
Huddersfield WIN v Wigan
Wakefield WIN v Hull KR
Warrington WIN v Harlequins RL
That makes the following changes to the points...
St Helens 36 + 8 = 44
Leeds 34 + 6 = 40
Huddersfield 32 + 4 = 36
Hull KR 29 + 4 = 33
Wigan 24 + 4 = 28
Wakefield 24 + 8 = 32
Castleford 24 + 4 = 28
Warrington 22 + 2 = 24
Harlequins RL 22 + 0 = 22
Catalans Dragons 22 + 2 = 24
Hull 18 + 2 = 20
Bradford 17 + 8 = 25
Salford 12 + 2 = 14
Celtic Crusaders 6 + 2 = 8
Making the final table something like
1 St Helens 44
2 Leeds 40
3 Huddersfield 36
4 Hull KR 33
5 Wakefield 32
6 Wigan 28
7 Castleford 28
8 Bradford 25
9 Warrington 24
10 Catalans Dragons 24
11 Harlequins RL 22
12 Hull 20
13 Salford 14
14 Celtic Crusaders 8
Obviously it's not going to happen but I will be checking the odds tonight when I get home.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 1193 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Dec 2006 | 18 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Feb 2016 | Nov 2014 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| forget it.....its not going to happen
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Chairman | 4408 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Mar 2002 | 23 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Apr 2013 | Dec 2010 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Yes we know that. it's just interesting that despite our terrible season we're still just within touching distance of the top 8 and could technically still win the whole thing.
Shows how strange the play-off system is that a team which has spent the whole season only just avoiding being the worst in the league can still technically end up with the prize with only 4 regular season games to go.
|
|
|
|
|