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| The part that concerns me is (of the RFL): "having completed their due diligence", which I expect will result in us uncovering in a season or two that our new owners don't have a pot to p!55 in.
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| Let's just take that as a given...
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| I'm somewhat concerned that the T&A have uncovered a bloke, as 'fans spokesperson', who apparently thinks that getting back to Odsal is more important than being able to afford to carry on at all. I'm not sure who he represents but I'd suggest that most fans would just be happy to come back to the city in a ground we can afford to run. I fully accept that there are some fans with an "Odsal till I die" mentality but I doubt that is the majority and I certainly hope not.
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| Absolutely Spot on ^^^
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| Quote ="Bulliac"I'm somewhat concerned that the T&A have uncovered a bloke, as 'fans spokesperson', who apparently thinks that getting back to Odsal is more important than being able to afford to carry on at all. I'm not sure who he represents but I'd suggest that most fans would just be happy to come back to the city in a ground we can afford to run. I fully accept that there are some fans with an "Odsal till I die" mentality but I doubt that is the majority and I certainly hope not.'"
The T&A regularly use the BBSG as the spokesperson for the fans, even though they never seem to speak with the majority's views, just their own as a group. If not BBSG, then they use Bullbuilder which although they go good work, again do not represent the fanbase.
I suppose in the absence of an actual spokesperson, they have to just find whoever they can. And considering earlier this year they supposedly misquoted some sensible fans and cherry picked from what they actually said, they probably don't have a sensible pool to choose from.
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| Quote ="DILLIGAF"The T&A regularly use the BBSG as the spokesperson for the fans, even though they never seem to speak with the majority's views, just their own as a group. If not BBSG, then they use Bullbuilder which although they go good work, again do not represent the fanbase.
I suppose in the absence of an actual spokesperson, they have to just find whoever they can. And considering earlier this year they supposedly misquoted some sensible fans and cherry picked from what they actually said, they probably don't have a sensible pool to choose from.'"
“ Never seem to speak with the majority’s views”? Pray tell me what that majority view is.
It would be difficult to find any one person or group that represents a consensus on the fan base. That’s because there are views which range from the ultra optimistic to the extremely pessimistic.
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| Quote ="Bullnorthern"“ Never seem to speak with the majority’s views”? Pray tell me what that majority view is.
It would be difficult to find any one person or group that represents a consensus on the fan base. That’s because there are views which range from the ultra optimistic to the extremely pessimistic.'"
I purely mean that whenever I see a quote from them, it never seems to echo what I'm seeing from most fans online. You're absolutely right though, that's just a subsection in the ones that I actually see, since I don't frequent any of the facebook groups or speak to many fans in person nowadays.
I agree completely that it's almost impossible to find a view that represents the fanbase. I do find some seem to talk like they are representing the fans though, which is a little duplicitous (although again it may just be the T&A selectively quoting in order for it to sound that way).
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| I'm one of the moderators of one of the largest bulls discussion forums in the whole wide world. So I should be the only person asked for an opinion. That's my opinion.
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| I could be the spokesperson, I’d tell a few home truths
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| Quote ="roger daly"I could be the spokesperson, I’d tell a few home truths'"
I suspect they'd need to buy in a few more #'s if you let fly mate.
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| Quote ="Pumpetypump"I suspect they'd need to buy in a few more #'s if you let fly mate.'"
Ha yes probably mate.
Still feeling unbelievably angry
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| Where does this leave your lad roger
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| Quote ="Molsk111"Where does this leave your lad roger'"
I really don’t know. I think everything is up in the air at the moment
He’s gone on holiday today, I’m waiting for him to let me know more when he hears something
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| I really do hope it turns out good, because the team needs Elliott
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| I can see why the media ask fans. It seems very demotic, very 21st century and all that, but it's basically pointless. After all, what does the average fan know? In the internet age everyone feels they should have an opinion and, to be frank, strong opinions on things that people know next to nothing about are ten-a-penny and not worth a jot. Re-hashed rubbish from twitter and facebook seems to be called journalism these days - I could weep if I didn't have more important things to weep about. Give me strength.
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| Quote ="roger daly"I really don’t know. I think everything is up in the air at the moment
He’s gone on holiday today, I’m waiting for him to let me know more when he hears something'"
I really hope everything works out for all the players and staff - they've worked their backsides off this season and deserve better than all this worry. Let's hope it runs smoothly and we can get back onto an even keel.
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| Quote ="Molsk111"I really do hope it turns out good, because the team needs Elliott'"
Thank you, very kind.
He’s gone away today a very angry young man
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| Quote ="Bulliac"I'm somewhat concerned that the T&A have uncovered a bloke, as 'fans spokesperson', who apparently thinks that getting back to Odsal is more important than being able to afford to carry on at all. I'm not sure who he represents but I'd suggest that most fans would just be happy to come back to the city in a ground we can afford to run. I fully accept that there are some fans with an "Odsal till I die" mentality but I doubt that is the majority and I certainly hope not.'"
"Fans Spokesperson" ie someone who's not been to Odsal since the 90's but will happily weigh in on any topic despite having no clue about the actual facts. You know. A Fax fan.
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| Oh you mean the folk from shelf who quietly slunk back into the blue and white ranks when the glory days ended?
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| My twopennorth.
What do we know for sure?
1. We have been in special measures for a while, which means RFL think we are not financially sound, or there was a request for evidence that we are, and so far, was not forthcoming.
2. there seem certainly to be cash issues, looking at special measures, the last available accounts, the dark rumours the previous month that we were the club struggling to pay wages (remember Chisholm's tweet?) and us leaving Odsal and Bradford to find a much cheaper base. Add the farrago over pension contributions, and the lame excuse, and it all adds up to money trouble in a big way to my mind. If that is way off the mark then they should tell us.
3. the attempt to sell off the Bulls comes hot on the heels of the special measures. Chalmers has never said or hinted that he wanted out, so that was a bombshell, and in the absence of any other explanation people could be forgiven for thinking he had to go as without a change of ownership we were never going to satisfy RFL, or get out of special measures, and so a buyout was the only alternative to going tits for whatever times it now would be.
4. Without naming names we now know that the players are spitting chips, which means they are maybe as out of the loop as we are.
5. Apart from the "statement" in the T&A which was carefully spun but said almost nothing, we are all (fans and players) hterefore being kept as in the dark as ever, both from existing management and, weirdly, not a peep from the new lot, to the extent we even have to guess who thef uck it even is
What a way to ruin what had been a passably successful and entertaining, relatively stress free season, what a way to off your players and fans. If we survive we should rename the ground where we play the Fred Karno Circus. I am so sick of this shoite, I couldn't even tell you.
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| The only new info I've picked up today is that there is meant to be (has been) a meeting with Judith Cummins MP +/- the council either today or tomorrow. Following on from the big RFL meeting on Friday, I'm not sure what they're doing really. Bulls financial woes, that must mean it's nearly Xmas. Merry Xmas everyone....
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| I know as much as anyone on this. WE are all assuming that we are in the do-do moneywise but it could be that AC has had enough of the English game and the RFL in particular. WE shouldn't forget that he entered this as partner but pretty soon had to carry the whole burden of the club on his own. And let's not forget that the powers that be have p!ssed off wealthier owners than him. Let's hope it leads to a GF for us some time soon as well.
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| T&A said special measures began in August. What price the pension this coming to light then?
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| Quote ="Scarey71"T&A said special measures began in August. What price the pension this coming to light then?'"
Pension scam only came to light last week, and by accident
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