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| Reiss is joining Batley on loan I understand.
It should be a good move for all parties.
He'll know Matt Diskin from his time here and should be able to learn a lot from him, and I imagine he'll get plenty of game time at a good standard too.
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| Unlucky not to have got more opportunites (as are a few other younger players/reserves)
Think we've just been lucky with injuries. He's on a 3 year deal and is still eligible for the 19s and he will get plenty of time to breakthrough. Huge potential, as has his brother. Hopefully both will be playing regularly in the first team in a couple of years.
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| Reiss needs some regular gametime. He has the potential to be the best hooker at the club. Will he get gametime at Batley? Is their hooker injured?
If he's good enough for championship rugby you wonder why he's behind Hallas and Halafihi here.
On a related point Jamal Goodall went to Dewsbury on loan for gametime. Has he had any yet?
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| Quote ="Bullseye"Reiss needs some regular gametime. He has the potential to be the best hooker at the club. Will he get gametime at Batley? Is their hooker injured?
If he's good enough for championship rugby you wonder why he's behind Hallas and Halafihi here.
On a related point Jamal Goodall went to Dewsbury on loan for gametime. Has he had any yet?'"
Not sure why Reiss hasn't had some first team action this season. I'd add Evan Hodgson to that list as well.
Jamal has been playing I think, I watched the highlights of their game against Rochdale and noticed him. His contract extension at the start of this season makes less and less sense the more I think about it.
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| It seems strange to say that a player has to move UP a division to get more game time. They usually have to drop down to do that.
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| Quote ="rugbyreddog"It seems strange to say that a player has to move UP a division to get more game time. They usually have to drop down to do that.'"
If Dewsbury have injury problems and needed a hooker, Matt may have given John a quick call to ask for help. He would know about Reiss from his time here.
Any other scenario and yep, it would be a bit odd.
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| Jamal didn't play at the weekend.
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| by coincidence I watched his youtube u16s highlights yesterday, he was involved in some great tries. things change with age, but his potential is massive, hooker or half back.
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| Quote ="Bullseye"Jamal didn't play at the weekend.'"
He played in the first game after his loan began, but not the second.
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| Typical that Butterworth's chance comes when he's away on loan (Flanagan out for 6-8 weeks). I wonder if we can persuade Batley to let him come back early?
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| Looked good in the Dewsbury game. Scored one and set one up. Really hope he gets some game time when he comes back.
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| Quote ="Bullseye"Typical that Butterworth's chance comes when he's away on loan (Flanagan out for 6-8 weeks). I wonder if we can persuade Batley to let him come back early?'"
Don't think it's up to them. Loan rules state it must be for a minimum of 4 weeks / 30 days / 1 month (I forget the exact timeframe, but it's one of those). I don't think clubs can just tear that rule up, otherwise everyone would just ignore it in order to get someone in short term when they were needed.
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| Isn't that what loans are for?
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| Quote ="Bullseye"Isn't that what loans are for?'"
It stops big clubs exploiting the loan market, using a sort of open dual reg system. Without that rule, you could have a Super League team with a big squad having it's first choice 17 playing, then 5 of their next best playing for Fax, the next 5 playing for Fev, the next 5 at Bradford etc etc., then the week after 2 of them could be back playing for the parent club whilst the loanees and the two they've dropped all go off to different clubs than they were at the week before. It would be anarchy.
It can be daft enough as it is with some players turning out for 4 or 5 different clubs in a season, but without that minimum loan period, they could turn out for 30 clubs.
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| It's not far off that at the moment. I'm sure that Oledzki played for us, Leeds and Fev and Murray played for us, Fax and Rochdale last season, he may even have played for Salford too.
I take your point anyway.
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| Oledski was loaned to us for a month at a time and Fev are DR with Leeds his parent club. It's exactly how HC outlined it. Loans are min 1 m and can be with anyone, DR is with your partner club and is week by week
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| Well one week of his minimum loan has already happened, and since we don't have a game this week, then it doesn't matter - and the second week ticks off...
Two more games for us to manage - and after all, we do have Hallas and Halafihi - then he come back match-fit and battle-hardened for action!
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| I'm more bothered about the injury to Bustin. Any word on how long he'll be out?
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| Quote ="Nothus"I'm more bothered about the injury to Bustin. Any word on how long he'll be out?'"
OK, I like Bustin - but looking at the squad list, we currently have 8 other props
8 Liam Kirk
10 Steven Crossley
17 Ross Peltier
19 Mikey Wood
28 James Davies
30 Jamal Goodhall
31 Oliver Wilson
34 Jordan Andrade
Should be fine
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| So long as everyone is fit for 22nd July.
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| Quote ="Bullseye"So long as everyone is fit for 22nd July.'"
June 17th at Whitehaven won't be a cake walk...
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| Quote ="paulwalker71"OK, I like Bustin - but looking at the squad list, we currently have 8 other props
8 Liam Kirk
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17 Ross Peltier
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28 James Davies
30 Jamal Goodhall
31 Oliver Wilson
34 Jordan Andrade
Should be fine
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That was my point on the other thread. If Davies, Goodhall, Wilson & Andrade turn out for the reserves midweek, Wilson won’t be able to play for the 19’s that week and none of the 4 of them can turn out for the first team.
I think we may be having a discussion with our DR partners soon about props. They have 7 first team props, but only 1 team for them to play in, and I vaguely remember the initial announcement mentioned getting access to our reserves
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Quote ="Highlander"That was my point on the other thread. If Davies, Goodhall, Wilson & Andrade turn out for the reserves midweek, Wilson won’t be able to play for the 19’s that week and none of the 4 of them can turn out for the first team.
I think we may be having a discussion with our DR partners soon about props. They have 7 first team props, but only 1 team for them to play in, and I vaguely remember the initial announcement mentioned getting access to our reserves'"
I think you're misunderstanding the point of having a reserve team. Surely it is to prepare players for first team action, not simply for its own sake?
I couldn't care less if the Reserve team have to play a weakened team, maybe by bringing in some props from Dudley Hill or West Bowling. Who cares if the Reserves lose a match or two? So long as the First Team is supplied with fit, ready players from our squad.
Also the Reserves don't play every week, far from it. We don't have a reserves game now until July 5th, and the next one after that is July 28th. See www.bradfordbulls.co.uk/article/ ... announced-
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I think we may be having a discussion with our DR partners soon about props. They have 7 first team props, but only 1 team for them to play in, and I vaguely remember the initial announcement mentioned getting access to our reserves'"
I think you're misunderstanding the point of having a reserve team. Surely it is to prepare players for first team action, not simply for its own sake?
I couldn't care less if the Reserve team have to play a weakened team, maybe by bringing in some props from Dudley Hill or West Bowling. Who cares if the Reserves lose a match or two? So long as the First Team is supplied with fit, ready players from our squad.
Also the Reserves don't play every week, far from it. We don't have a reserves game now until July 5th, and the next one after that is July 28th. See www.bradfordbulls.co.uk/article/ ... announced-
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| Quote ="paulwalker71"June 17th at Whitehaven won't be a cake walk...'"
100% agreed. No easy games in Cumbria, they will play it like their cup final and IMO this run of playing the "weaker" teams has IMO seen one or two bad habits creeping in. Can't afford make the same number of handling errors e .g.Skolars, Newcastle & Hemel and certainly no sin-bins for talking back to the ref.
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| I agree. Haven have already beaten York so it's clear they're a decent outfit but I hope we've learnt from our last trip to Cumbria.
Good point about us picking up bad habits against the weaker teams. We'll be in for a shock when we play a better side.
I too think we'll see some incomers in upcoming weeks.
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