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| Chances are that we will not be around much longer without a big moneybacker. And as we know there isn't one waiting in the wings. My question is this: Would you have swapped all the success we have had for survival?
From a personal point of view I loved living the dream of the Cup finals, Grand Finals, WCC and travelling around the country in large numbers, the razzmatazz of game days. If the price we have to pay is that we no longer exist as a club then so be it. I go to the Championship matches and there is no atmosphere, nothing. I watch SL on telly and get bored. I'm glad I experienced it but after following them for 50 years I've had enough.
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| I can understand your feelings. I saw a you tube video the other day of the 1999 game vs Leeds at Odsal in front of over 24k. It seemed like another universe.
I’d feel the same disillusionment and ready to pack in if it wasn’t for my involvement with BullBuilder and seeing the talent we have about to come through. I really want to see that happen. I think a lot of younger fans and players should have the chance to see their own glory years and God willing that will happen.
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| As a supporter of a club who have won nothing of any significance in the last forty odd years I would swap in a heartbeat.
Whereas I forlornly hope for a major success, many of you have lived the dream & whilst things look pretty bleak right now, it should never taint the memories of yesteryear.
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| Yes, absolutely it was worth it. You cannot take the winners name off the trophies or record books. That will last forever!!!
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| Quote ="bullinenemyland"Yes, absolutely it was worth it. You cannot take the winners name off the trophies or record books. That will last forever!!!'"
Not if you're Melbourne!
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| Course it was worth it, you can't replace the memories, but we didn't go bust because of those years, we instead managed to get ourselves to the top, and then ssed it all away. The glory days can't last forever, but they should have left a lasting legacy that kept the club on a solid and steady footing, and it is to the eternal shame of the guilty parties who have failed so miserably as custodians of a once great club, which as I write, doesn't actually even exist any more.
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| What FA said.
One phone call changed everything...the moment Iestyn's agent picked up the phone to Caisley and said "he's available".
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| Quote ="rugbyreddog"Chances are that we will not be around much longer without a big moneybacker. And as we know there isn't one waiting in the wings. My question is this: Would you have swapped all the success we have had for survival?
From a personal point of view I loved living the dream of the Cup finals, Grand Finals, WCC and travelling around the country in large numbers, the razzmatazz of game days. If the price we have to pay is that we no longer exist as a club then so be it. I go to the Championship matches and there is no atmosphere, nothing. I watch SL on telly and get bored. I'm glad I experienced it but after following them for 50 years I've had enough.'"
Pretty much my feelings. I moved out of Bradford about 6 years ago and have found it increasingly hard to justify the additional travel time and costs to go watch live games, which more often than not have been poor quality.
I'm sure fans of other clubs will tell me I'm wrong, but I think the decline of the bulls has shadowed the decline of super league. The sport is dying. The quality of super league is poor. There's no money, no direction and no plan. Rugby league in this country missed its opportunity to become the second mainstream professional sport in the U.K. Any vision and planning was sacrificed for short term gains, often to benefit those who add very little value to the overall appeal of the sport outside is main heartland.
I have two young boys who have both just started playing rugby union for our local club. Although my heart isn't in the game, the difference in approach to rugby league is breath taking. The club has money, facilities, great participation and really feels part of a sport that is growing and moving forwards.
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| Quote ="bullsonfire"What FA said.
One phone call changed everything...the moment Iestyn's agent picked up the phone to Caisley and said "he's available".'"
It was going wrong long before that.
I'd say it went wrong the minute we agreed the deal with the council - a big lump of cash up front, but we'd be looking after the ground ourselves from that point onwards.
It might have seemed like a decent wedge at the time but in reality was probably nowhere near enough considering how badly the running costs are crippling us now.
Of course, this problem is only exacerbated when you remember that Caisley & Co. chose to spend all that money on the team/bullmania instead of ring-fencing it for its intended purpose.
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| We haven't gone down the tube cos of "running costs of the ground", we've gone down through a combination of financial imprudence and failing to make the proper playoffs.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"We haven't gone down the tube cos of "running costs of the ground", we've gone down through a combination of financial imprudence and failing to make the proper playoffs.'"
I would add to that some bad luck at key moments and some 3rd party malevolence (mainly related to stadium development)
Yes, it was all worth it.
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| Yeh it's a no brainier for me, definitely worth it. I'd have been 13 when we lifted the SL trophy for the 1st time at the Don Valley, it was an awesome experience. Probably began to take the GF's for granted a little, felt like it was just how our season ended, a trip to OT!
Bit depressing to think back but as somebody else has said, SL is a long way in quality from what it used to be!
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| FWIW your dominance in the late 90s and early 00s made our success from 2004 all the more enjoyable. I think it's fair to say that 98-07 was probably my favourite era of watching RL in this country, the rivalry with Bradford being central to that. My interest in RL started to fade a little when Bradford stopped being a force in SL.
I still can't get my head around why the club persisted with McNamara for so long in the key period of transition. He took over with a star-studded team, recruited terribly when there still seemed to be money to spend (not all bad, granted, but too many players weren't good enough IMO), and wasted the opportunity to build on what was a pretty solid platform. Seems like he's never really moved on from being a solid assistant, and is still very much in Brian Noble's shadow as Bulls coach and GB coach (Noble managed our last win over Australia, after all). At least Macca's got a cushy job in New Zealand now - a shame Bradford had to suffer while he learned how to coach. Would Brian McDermott or Paul Anderson have done any better? Perhaps not, if 2016 was anything to go by!
Hope it gets sorted out soon (i.e. you are back in the top 4 of SL... Big money backer + 5 years?!!!).
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| Met some brilliant people along the way, had some great days out, able to wind up my old Leeds fan boss at work telling him we were WORLD CHAMPIONS (on three occasions), visits to Wembley, Old Trafford, Murrayfield, Millenium Stadium, Twickenham, you can't take those days away, even when we lost - they made the victories even sweeter.
24k at Odsal v Leeds, the 2005 run to the Grand Final, last minute wins at Headingley, there's too many to mention...
Seeing the likes of (on weekly basis) Henry Paul, Lesley Vainikolo, Oh Michael Withers......... Stuart Fielden, Jamie Peacock......
HELL YEAH IT WAS WORTH IT!!!!
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Course it was worth it, you can't replace the memories, but we didn't go bust because of those years, we instead managed to get ourselves to the top, and then ssed it all away. The glory days can't last forever, but they should have left a lasting legacy that kept the club on a solid and steady footing, and it is to the eternal shame of the guilty parties who have failed so miserably as custodians of a once great club, which as I write, doesn't actually even exist any more.'"
Chin up. Your club still exists. It's just that the current owning entity is no longer an RFL member (as per standard procedure in such as the current circumstances). Don't give in. I guarantee that the Steam Pigs will be back under the Bradford Northern name.
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| Absolutely worth it, you can't take those memories away.
I remember in a Sky match in SL1 (can't remember which game), Eddie Hemings commenting on the Bulls pre game show telling the rest of Super League look and copy to get the fans engagement. Before then when entertainment was limited to a school match perhaps and ballboys kicking balls to each other, thinking 'wow - we're leading the way, I don't believe it'. For that I do thank Caisley for having the vision and foresight to create the Bulls brand.
On SL now, I agree with another poster that I thought the last season was distinctly average, apart from a few Cas and Wire games on Sky. English RL is at a tipping point with The NFL and RFU looking to Hoover up mature talent in one case and young talent in the other (Ford and Farrell in England's team, 15 years ago they would have been playing Super League). The game and, more importantly the team I love are not in a healthy position.
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| Without a doubt.
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| Anyone who said it wasn't worth it must be mental teams have been around for over 100 years and have won very little if anything at all you dominated the game for a decade I started watching my club at the beginning of the 80s when we dominated and I watched us win everything then a decade later we were in the 3rd division playing in front of 1500 fans we eventually made it back (although we got relegated last season) so I have no doubt youll be back as I hope we will on a side note what did you do to Huddersfield to make them hate you so much
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| Quote ="fun time frankie" on a side note what did you do to Huddersfield to make them hate you so much'"
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| Totally worth it. Some of my favourite memories of my teenage years are of Bulls matches at Odsal, away games and of course all the finals.
It was a special time to be a part of and a real privilege to see some of the players we had week in week out.
It's mainly just me and my dad at matches these days although my brother still attends when work allows. My memories of 1996 - 2006 are special because the whole family came along including my mum and sister and any of our mates that happened to be round on any given weekend. It was great to enjoy such success and such a fantastic gameday experience as family.
Unfortunately we are where we are now but you can't take away the memories of an era better than most clubs will ever experience.
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| Quote ="psychostring"Totally worth it. Some of my favourite memories of my teenage years are of Bulls matches at Odsal, away games and of course all the finals.
It was a special time to be a part of and a real privilege to see some of the players we had week in week out.
It's mainly just me and my dad at matches these days although my brother still attends when work allows. My memories of 1996 - 2006 are special because the whole family came along including my mum and sister and any of our mates that happened to be round on any given weekend. It was great to enjoy such success and such a fantastic gameday experience as family.
Unfortunately we are where we are now but you can't take away the memories of an era better than most clubs will ever experience.'"
This was the same for me. I was in my late teens (wish I still was!). My dad and step-mum lived on Rigton street just off Manchester Road and the aunties and uncles would come round and a big group of us would trundle up Manchester Road every time there was a home game. Pubs full of fans along the way, as well as car after car with little Bradford Bulls flags on making their way up towards Odsal - and that's all before you even got in the ground!. It was like a different world. Once inside there was the pre-match entertainment including Bullman's Parade (hence my moniker ) and then the game itself would take place and more often that not we'd be spectacularly victorious. It was just a great time to be around. I also remember walking across Ricky Dunns at the end of every game thinking how lucky we were we didnt need to be in a car and stuck in those queues trying to get out lol
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| Yes it was worth it. Absolutely. Unbelievable highs and some real lows beats a lifetime of mediocrity and winning nothing for me.
Although, the winning and success between 1996 and 2006 hasn't caused the admins and relegation so its not really a fair question. Poor leadership, and poor planning for the future whilst the going was good is the root of the problem. Chasing more and more success rather than use the success to lay solid foundations....and yes I have 20/20 hindsight which is the luxury of the fan rather than owner.
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| I think it's fair to say that management at that time certainly 'seized the day'.
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| Dearly Beloved, we are gathered here today to reflect upon and celebrate the life of...
SCRAAAATCH!!! ...... don't do the eulogies before the funeral! Where there's life there's hope.
Carpe diem indeed, not carp/harp on.
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| Quote ="Bent&Bongser"Dearly Beloved, we are gathered here today to reflect upon and celebrate the life of...
SCRAAAATCH!!! ...... don't do the eulogies before the funeral! Where there's life there's hope.
Carpe diem indeed, not carp/harp on.'"
Well it [iis[/i out of season and there's not much else going on.....
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