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| Heard he’s off to Hudders. Also heard he’s out for at least 12 weeks. We may have seen the last of him.
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| If Hudds don't get their fingers out we may see him at least twice next year. Unless we go in the opposite direction
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| Quote ="Bullseye"Heard he’s off to Hudders. Also heard he’s out for at least 12 weeks. We may have seen the last of him.'"
Think he's been linked with just about everybody. Would be surprised with he went to hudds as they seem to have plenty of options at HB and Gaskell wouldn't be that cheap wit leigh offering big money and us keen to keep him. Unless Brough is leaving?
If he is out for 12 weeks that would be a big blow. Never seem to have luck with our injuries. Some clubs seem to have season ending injuries to players who then come back 8 weeks later. Our hamstring injuries are always 3-6 month layoffs
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| Probably doesn't want to play against his new club in the middle 8's
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| Quote ="Tipster Ste"Probably doesn't want to play against his new club in the middle 8's'"
I don't think that that is much of an issue TBH.
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| Thing is if you do a hamstring then it is almost always going to be months rather than weeks, which is why when the injury was announced along with "he might be back next week" I assumed either he had nothing at all except a the mildest of mild hamstring tweaks (not our sort of luck); or would be out for months; or else it was just a cover story.
I am on the one hand very surprised that he decided to stick with us, and much respect to him for making that choice; but OTOH despite having played a lot of hours, to me he hasn't really shown much at all this season, yes he has not had a proper halfback to work with but then after Gale left, he never did, and yet before the thug Groat crocked him, he was regularly putting on magnificent displays. I'd even say maybe he's never fully recovered from that. There does, to me, seem to be something missing from his game.
I'm sure in the right team, used correctly, he can be and will be devastating for someone. For more than a couple of reasons, though, that doesn't look much like being us.
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| Really can't be bothered anymore. If any of our players want away then please leave. They are hardly a bunch of world beaters. We're currently 6th in the Championship so exactly how much will losing all these player effect our performance? Will we become average? If Huddersfield think that Gaskell will be the answer to them finally winning something then they are deluded. Just like Hull KR trying sign any Championship player that shows an ounce of ability. How about trying to develop a few of your own youngsters?
Any player that can find a better deal elsewhere then get your self off so that the money can be spent on players that want to get the Bulls back to the top.
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| Quote ="Sensei-Bull"Really can't be bothered anymore. If any of our players want away then please leave. They are hardly a bunch of world beaters. We're currently 6th in the Championship so exactly how much will losing all these player effect our performance? Will we become average? If Huddersfield think that Gaskell will be the answer to them finally winning something then they are deluded. Just like Hull KR trying sign any Championship player that shows an ounce of ability. How about trying to develop a few of your own youngsters?
Any player that can find a better deal elsewhere then get your self off so that the money can be spent on players that want to get the Bulls back to the top.'"
Absolutely spot on. The rams we're no way a world beating team but a couple of solid players and a squad with nouse (play acting to get a break) and the determination to run their blood to water for the cause made a mockery of our 'SL Standard' show ponies.
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| 12 weeks?!
Blimey, he seems to have copped a few bad injuries in recent seasons. Here's hoping he gets over them, whoever he is playing for next season. (Dave 'Nosey' Parker suggests we - Leigh -are in for him for next season, so that definitely won't happen! )
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| Quote ="Sensei-Bull"Really can't be bothered anymore. If any of our players want away then please leave. They are hardly a bunch of world beaters. We're currently 6th in the Championship so exactly how much will losing all these player effect our performance? Will we become average? If Huddersfield think that Gaskell will be the answer to them finally winning something then they are deluded. Just like Hull KR trying sign any Championship player that shows an ounce of ability. How about trying to develop a few of your own youngsters?
Any player that can find a better deal elsewhere then get your self off so that the money can be spent on players that want to get the Bulls back to the top.'"
I can't pretend I'm not bothered about players leaving, there are quite a few I'd be very disappointed to lose - particularly the ones we've brought through the system.
That said, I agree and if a player thinks he can better his career, or his family's life, by being elsewhere, then fair enough let them go - a bloke who [iwants[/i to be here is infinitely better than one who doesn't, however talented.
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| I have just about written this year off unless Smith signs a few in the next few weeks that change the team. As far as Gaskell is concerned I feel 50/50 on whether he stays. Even though he has played in two SL teams and not done enough to be kept he is still a very good championship player. I know statistics show he has played plenty of games but against other players who get stuck in for example Addey, Pitts, O'Brien he does miss plenty of games and when he gets injured it is usually a long time out. That is unfortunate for players who finds that this happens in their career. If we keep him we must also have cover for him as he does get injured for long periods of time.
All this talk of who to let go depends on how much confidence we have in Smith. If you believe Smith can find two very good half backs then yes let Gaskell go reluctantly. If he has a clear out and frees up overseas space then we can let Clark go if he brings in someone better.
One thing I don't want Smith to do is make do with what we have and then find out he had very few contacts. If he has a list of good players as long as his arm then I want him to go for it even if it means losing one or two players that we like. I hope Rohan's dad has told him he only gets one chance at the club so he should go for it and do everything he wants and not just go along with how it is.
An example of this situation would be if Smith knew an outstanding unknown young centre (the next Shontane) but it meant letting Purtell go what would fans say. Me, I would say yes as I want Smith to really shake things up in his time here and not just do as it has always been done. If we wanted "the same" we could have got Glenn.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Thing is if you do a hamstring then it is almost always going to be months rather than weeks, which is why when the injury was announced along with "he might be back next week" I assumed either he had nothing at all except a the mildest of mild hamstring tweaks (not our sort of luck); or would be out for months; or else it was just a cover story.
I am on the one hand very surprised that he decided to stick with us, and much respect to him for making that choice; but OTOH despite having played a lot of hours, to me he hasn't really shown much at all this season, yes he has not had a proper halfback to work with but then after Gale left, he never did, and yet before the thug Groat crocked him, he was regularly putting on magnificent displays. I'd even say maybe he's never fully recovered from that. There does, to me, seem to be something missing from his game.
I'm sure in the right team, used correctly, he can be and will be devastating for someone. For more than a couple of reasons, though, that doesn't look much like being us.'"
Think this is a pretty good summation, and I agree with much of it. The injury “cover story” is an interesting point, it probably did happen that way, but in the past couple of seasons the club has been really reluctant to release any solid injury info on any player – see Gaskell last year as well (was that also hamstring?). Thought it may have been a Jimmy thing, but it’s continued recently as well.
If I was coach of an existing SL club, I’d be extremely weary considering recent performances and amount of injuries. As it stands I wonder if he’d be able to get back to SL standards if he were to go straight to Huddersfield or Hull (that one becoming less likely the better they do this year I bet). I think of all the options he potentially has on the table Leigh is the one that makes the most sense in terms of the best fit for both club and player, think he’d fit in pretty well there regardless of if they went up or not.
Although what probably will happen going on past players we have lost is all his injury worries will be gone at his new club, he’ll start playing absolute blinders week to week working his way back into international contention, as well as probably putting us to the sword in a highly controversial fashion at some point down the road.
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| Have to admit the number of players leaving our Club after injuries, and becoming brilliant players at other clubs is very disheartening.
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| Quote ="Bull Mania"Unless Brough is leaving?'"
He is out of contract after this season.
If Gaskell leaves, I'm a lot more accepting of it than I would have been last season. Last season he was outstanding. This season he's looked like he doesn't give a toss any more. If he wants out, let him go. I don't want any player at the club who doesn't want to be here, regardless of how good they are. A superstar who doesn't want to be here, will play like they are average at best.
As long as we replace him, then I'm actually not that fussed any more.
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| Quote ="HamsterChops"He is out of contract after this season.
If Gaskell leaves, I'm a lot more accepting of it than I would have been last season. Last season he was outstanding. This season he's looked like he doesn't give a toss any more. If he wants out, let him go. I don't want any player at the club who doesn't want to be here, regardless of how good they are. A superstar who doesn't want to be here, will play like they are average at best.
As long as we replace him, then I'm actually not that fussed any more.'"
Agree with a lot of that, the only thing is I don't think Lowes ever put Gaskell in a team or a system where he had a decent chance of doing what we know he can do. I'm sure he does give plenty of tosses, but if we're ponderous and constantly on the back foot, and he's the lone halfback, it can't make it any easier. But yes I would agree that even making allowances for that, there's no doubt his form has slumped.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Agree with a lot of that, the only thing is I don't think Lowes ever put Gaskell in a team or a system where he had a decent chance of doing what we know he can do. I'm sure he does give plenty of tosses, but if we're ponderous and constantly on the back foot, and he's the lone halfback, it can't make it any easier. But yes I would agree that even making allowances for that, there's no doubt his form has slumped.'"
Absolutely. Don't get me wrong, I always have trouble believing a player is out on the pitch not caring. But he certainly has LOOKED like that this year. But I agree, it can't be easy getting motivated when you know you're the only real playmaker in the side and you're not getting the support you should be getting. You really couldn't blame someone in that position wanting to move on where his job might be a bit easier.
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| I will add that in many ways, Gaskell's style is a bit like that of John Woods, both could look disinterested and stood about, but in reality that was just Woods' imperious way, and I think Gaskell is similar. And has that inimitable something extra when the occasion arises.
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| Quote ="HamsterChops"He is out of contract after this season.
If Gaskell leaves, I'm a lot more accepting of it than I would have been last season. Last season he was outstanding. This season he's looked like he doesn't give a toss any more. If he wants out, let him go. I don't want any player at the club who doesn't want to be here, regardless of how good they are. A superstar who doesn't want to be here, will play like they are average at best.
As long as we replace him, then I'm actually not that fussed any more.'"
brough is contracted till the end of 2017 with the giants not 2016.
grix is though if you want him.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"I will add that in many ways, Gaskell's style is a bit like that of =#FF0000John Woods, both could look disinterested and stood about, but in reality that was just Woods' imperious way, and I think Gaskell is similar. And has that inimitable something extra when the occasion arises.'"
John Woods - the best player I have had the privilege of watching, in many years of supporting Leigh. A class act, who also did more than his fair share of tackling.
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| Quote ="brearley84"brough is contracted till the end of 2017 with the giants not 2016.
grix is though if you want him.'"
I've just double checked and you are indeed correct. God knows why I had it in my head it was 2016...
In fact the ambiguous nature of the statement at the time ("Signed 5 year deal" in July 2013) could even mean he's contracted for 2018 too. Depends if 2013 was included in the 5 or not.
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| Quote ="Alan":308d17u3John Woods - the best player I have had the privilege of watching, in many years of supporting Leigh. A class act, who also did more than his fair share of tackling.'" , his long blond hair floating in the breeze as he sauntered towards the line, then the sudden acceleration as he found the gap and went through it - long to be remembered! He'd fit in right now...
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"I will add that in many ways, Gaskell's style is a bit like that of John Woods, both could look disinterested and stood about, but in reality that was just Woods' imperious way, and I think Gaskell is similar. And has that inimitable something extra when the occasion arises.'"
Gaskell couldn't lace Woodys boots
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| Quote ="propforward 2338"Gaskell couldn't lace Woodys boots'"
Why not? He can lace his own - I've seen him - and what would be so hard about lacing somebody else's? Lacing boots isn't rocket science.
Dunno about blond though - I always thought he had the look of Bobby Ewing
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| Quote ="HamsterChops"I've just double checked and you are indeed correct. God knows why I had it in my head it was 2016...
In fact the ambiguous nature of the statement at the time ("Signed 5 year deal" in July 2013) could even mean he's contracted for 2018 too. Depends if 2013 was included in the 5 or not.'"
ha yes ive had to double check too
he is infact contracted till the end of 2018!
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