Yesterday I glanced at some of the other West Yorkshire club forums . Given our understandable concentration on matters financial over the past few months as we lurch from one crisis to the next, I thought I'd try to remember what it feels like to be a fan expectantly looking forward to a new campaign. You all remember-- . Speculation about which players are declining which youngsters will break through , what tactics the coach will use etc.
Amongst the threads I came across a thread on the Rhinos board which asks their fans to predict the 2014 season. If our team needs any motivation they only have to look there. Everyone predicts London in last spot and a large majority have us in 13th place. There are no obvious gloats or insults. I gained the impression that not only are we written off but are completely disregarded. I think I prefer the traditional tone of fierce rivalry even when it descends into taunting rather than being discounted as totally out of the mix.
Personally I believe the squad as it stands today is an improvement on the last 2 seasons-- better balanced with a few of the younger players at the point of proving themselves in the league. If (and I know it's a big if ) we can avoid losing more than a couple of players , I am cautiously optimistic of mid table with a decent run in the cup.
What do others think?

Will we start the season?

If so, with what squad?

If we do, will we finish the season?

I think those questions will do me for now. At least in recent times we had someone to moan at for ignoring the fan base, now we haven't even got that. Our pre-season consists of the odd cryptic self-interested claim and counterclaim when the local rag can be bothered to report anything, and the fiasco over who may or may not own or run the club shows no sign of abating, so those who have us finishing ahead of anybody could arguably be said to be the wildest optimists.

IF we manage to start and finish the season with the squad we have I think we’ll finish around 10th-12th. We may have a bit of quality and a better balance than last year but the overall quality and more importantly depth of the squad isn’t there to get in the top 8 yet. Widnes surely must improve and Cas will be better. Our main rivals will be Wakey who are starting from scratch. London’s fortunes are as hard to predict as our own but at least they’re sure to begin the season!

IF the squad stays the same,I really believe we will make the 8.I think we are a lot stronger this year.Lulia and Heath are big losses,but all the players that have come in are an improvement on who they have replaced.Henry is unknown so he too could be a very good signing.Carvell for Langley?,Ferguson is definately better than Bateman at this moment in time,Bateman is potential at the moment.George for Platt,Gaskell will definately add something we didn't have last season.Quite optimistic,in a strange way

Pretty sure you've nailed our situation, though I think you have to add Salford to the list of improvers. I suspect they'll maybe start off with a few 'getting to know you' games, but a combo of Nobby and a bottomless bag of cash spells a decent side over the season.

As you imply, much will depend on [iexactly[/i what our squad is when the curtain goes up, though, for some reason, I feel pretty confident we'll make the starting gun. Must confess I haven't booked anything for Catalans as yet though, which maybe suggests I'm not quite as confident as I pretend..

Bulliac I have Salford finishing 8th or 9th. They'll take time to gel but they have enough solid experienced pros to make a big improvement on last year.

Hope you’re proved right Roger. I hope Adam Henry proves to be decent. I still have memories of Platt and Sykes in the centres and how our fringe defence was awful. Carvell will give us something extra especially with his offloads and Gaskell will provided much needed competition for places at halfback.

When everyone’s fit and in form we are top 8 material. I just don’t think we have the depth to manage it over a full season. How we cope with Easter will be key. Last year there were too many missed tackles and losses of concentration, often I expect due to loss of form, injury and fatigue. I expect the kids like Mellor and Roberts to get plenty of games as a result.

If we start to lose players to make ends meet it’ll be even tougher as I don’t expect replacements to be off the same quality.

Almost two separate competitions this year: placing in the top 8, and avoiding the bottom two places.
Realistically we are in the second one with probably London, Wakey, Cas and Widnes - assuming of course London don't get special "expansion" treatment if they finish in the bottom two. I do think the squad we currently have is better than 2013 - but with such small squads the finally positioning will likely come down to who can best keep the players in shape for the longest

As of right now I'd say we have a stronger 17 than London, Wakey, Cas and Widnes. How that will change between now and the start of the season, and how often injuries actually allow us to name something close to our strongest 17, will determine whether we actually finish above any or all of those teams.

For me, as an outsiders, I'm in a catch 22 when predicting the fortunes of Bradford next year: if you keep the same squad together, I'm not convinced you'll see the end of the season, it is pretty much the same finances that has failed two times all over again. If you have a fire sale, similar to Wakefield, I can't see who you can bring into the squad to give you a fighting chance (especially as you'll be fighting with London for signatures)

Both options don't leave me with much hope for next season for bradford

It was said by the directors that if any player was sold then a replacement would be brought in. It might be a player of lesser ability or for a different position but there would be a replacement. I think the issue might be would has the money and space under the cap to buy any of our better players. I can see that they would want to offload the high earners first but these may not necessarily be wanted by other clubs as they’d not be value for money. Then of course the player himself has to agree to the move.

As you say that could leave us struggling to make savings. Could make life interesting.

. If we do have to lose 2 or maybe 3 of our better players then we could be in trouble, but if we can get away with only losing only one.... Mmm, well maybe we'll live to fight another day - there are too many ifs and buts to be definite about anything, to be honest.
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It's that old chestnut again about the real cost of star players - as it is often these guys who attract sponsors to a club and fans through the gate.

Don't envy the position the directors find themselves in, it would be a mighty task even without the baggage and squabbles which seem to dog the club

The directors say that they found this £400k shortfall quickly. I am wondering if the loss of L’Estrange, Bateman and even the young fullback will be counted in their required savings. That would be 2 good earners gone and a small (estimated £18k - £20k) amount. If they do and then add the redundancies that could add up to a substantial saving already. Hopefully a bit more sponsorship and that £400k could come down very quickly. Again, if these 3 players wages are counted then we may not need to lose many more. Hopefully they will get the ownership sorted next week and new sponsors can come on board in time for the game in 2 week’s time.

bringing players in aint going to be easy, you have managed to keep what you have got at least for the present. Wakey sold players, reduced contract payents and replaced with players on a reduced cntract. With the exception of smith i think wakefield have replaced well.I wish you and london all the best for next year, but will not be upset if you both finish below wakey. London have taken a risk, releasing its players at the end of last season . Ok it hasnt had contracts to pay in the off season, but it aint got a squad. Could be they know more about promotion and relegation than they are saying. THEY SHOULD NOT RECEIVE ANY KIND OF FAVOUR should they finish in the bottom 2 if promotion and relegation go a head. All the best

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If they'd found it really quickly, you might have expected them to find the problems under a 'due diligence' examination of the business before they actually signed the deal with OK? That would have saved an awful lot of bother.

My impression [and that's all it is -[i:1tbt4ojhmy impression[/i is that Mark Moore and Ian Watt, came in maybe like so many local business people have historically done, with their fans' woolly hats on rather than their businessmen's bowlers and that the poor forward financial planning only came to light when it came under Andrew Calvert's, more experienced, gaze.

You've got to be hopeful, I suppose, and there have been a few people leaving since the end of the season, though most would have been before the announcement so would probably have been accounted for.

Best thing for us would be a surge in season tickets - though that is very unlikely after the the end of the 'early bird' prices, and some bumper walk up crowds for the friendlies and early league games.........oh, and with us winning the lot and drawing even bigger crowds for the next games...Now that would put a big dent in our 'big hole' in the finances.....well, if it's possible to put a dent in a hole, that is.

IF we keep the squad together I think it's marginally better. That means we're looking for teams in the top 8 who will fare less well. The 2 obvious candidates are Hull and HKR. HKR have lost Dobson but Sandercock seems a decent coach who knows what he's doing. Hull finished 8th and look markedly weaker.
Being positive I'm tipping 8th

Anyone who predicts we will finish out of the bottom three must be truly stark staring, raving, bonkers on some sort of optimism drugs.

I concur with Bugsy that we'll be 8th.

With all the comings and goins.

Unless London are given a huge dispensation to sign a team of aussies or islanders (which considering its P&R is unfair on the other teams) they are going to be 14th i think, that leave 1 more position to be filled from one of us, Cas, Wakey, Widnes, Hull KR and maybe Hull - only as they dropped of horridly last season.

Salford will most likely make the 8, the top 5 will be the same as last year, so there will be a great scrap for the last of the 8 spots, i predict 9th or 10th for us again, we have a stronger squad than last year (marginally) and i think we are stronger than Widnes and Wakey, maybe KR but teams on paper are not always as good on the field.

Long as we can make the start and keep the squad together i am looking forward to this season.

If we manage to keep the current squad im going to go with an optimistic 6th

There's a lot of cowardly defeatism going on here. Pipped to the league leader's shield by Salford for me and then not enough in the tank to win a single play off match. Civil war on here about whether it's a disaster or not.

I would include Les cats and salford rather than the 2 hull teams, now their form has realy dropped off and where I their recruitment?

Looking at how other squads have recruited I think that if we can hold the team together then we'll end up in a three way shoot out with both Hull's for eighth place. Even writing that feels optimistic mind you, but we are better than those we finished above last time round.
I would tip the league to look like this...
1. Wire
2. Wigan
3. Giants
4. Saints
5. Leeds
6. Salford
7. Catalans
8. Bulls
9. KR
10. Hull
11. Widnes
12. Wakey
13. Cas
14. London

Clearly this is my heart talking, so to put things another way, if we finish above KR we'll be in the playoffs, but honestly, I'd take 11th if it meant we could build for 2015.

skoda's are also better than Bentley's then Roger?


I hope the Bulls are successful this season by the way

I think Roger is right, at least regarding what Ferguson will give to Bradford this coming season. That is not to say Bateman does not have greater potential and a move to Wigan will give him a tremendous opportunity to reach that potential.

In my opinion Ferguson is the better player for Bradford now, he will play to consistently good level. Bateman is the better fit for Wigan they can afford to nurture him, rest him as needed, drop him if he steps out of line and make sure he becomes the terrific player he has the potential to be.

This.

Bateman has been touted as a great "potential" star. But really, he's not shown that at SL level. I mean, how many games last year has anyone said or even thought "if only Bateman was playing, we'd have won that game"

Ferguson is a more rounded, more experienced player and will be more beneficial to Bradford as, rather than Bateman's if only potential.