I just want to find out from a bradford fan why they are booinv at every play the ball. There is no xifferen e between either side in their technique or time they are taking

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Well I'd possibly agree if the OP showed they weren't at the game as it was the Saints fans booing at the PTB.

I was at the game and posted this at half time. It is a genuine post as I could see no difference between the teams. But if you want to hide the facts after the game thats fine

NO DIFFERENCE!! Saints continually wrestled on the ground all game. It was a joke. I don't mind a team slowing it down when they dominate a tackle, but it as the slowest games of rugby I've seen. Then Roby pinned us for nothing penalties. The penalties he gave compared to What he let go were pathetic! I find it amazing Saints didn't do anything wrong for 35 mins then Roby pins you twice in the same minute! Worst performance I've ever seen from a referee!

The point whooshing over your head would be that IF there was no difference between the teams, how come the Saints had been awarded a string of penalties for the first half an hour, whereas in that period the Bulls had been awarded, er, none?

Quite clearly the OP was not at the game or not watching it or something. Or else is insane.

There was nothing whooshng over my head. The penalties awarded against you were not for lying on - but e ery tackle the bradford fans were embarrassing themselves by booing for a perceived infringment by saints. But each tackle that bradford made had the same type of technique nvolved that consisted of players lying on in the tackle to slow the play down. Same length of time and same technique. You should try watching both sides and judge if a ref is being ststraight rather than winge because you are getting penalised

Yet only Bradford got penalised.
I think therein lies the problem, and hence the boos.

Somebody needs a new keyboard.

Thats a far more sensible answer. If it was just born out of frustration because bradford were indisciplined then I can see that. But listening to the boos from the teraces It seemed like you thought saints were doing something different to bradford.

I think you miss the point. Bulls got penalised for doing the same thing as Saints. Saints didn't get penalised. The boos were for the one sided refereeing.

No we were booing because the ref was not consistent in his application of the rules. I have no problem with the penalties he gave, my problem was he only penalised Bradford and allowed Saints to dominate even more. Debatable whether it would have affected the end result with our defence the way it was, but that doesn't mean we cant query the referee's performance. It was one of the worst performances from a referee I have seen for a long time. Even the Saints fan behind me in the pop stand was agreeing that at times Saints were worse than Bradford yet Bradford were penalised.

Precisely. Numerous times Bradford were penalised for laying on and messing around at the PTB. Often quite harshly. Which is fine, providing both teams get the same treatment. They didn't. Both teams were laying on, both teams were messing about, only one team got hammered for it.

Hence why people were disgruntled with the official and made it vocal.

You can't ever complain about an official enforcing the rules. Some will do it harshly, some will do it softly. The only complaint comes when the same isn't applied to both teams, and that was the case today in many people's opinions.

It's a shame really, as had the official had a really good game, Saints would still have won comfortably anyway (as they were by far the better side, especially Lomax and Soliola), but people would be talking about that rather than a poor performance from a referee.

Well put chops

You can't hide from the fact that the Bradford defensive performance was woeful today but as others have said the ref had an absolute shocker. I thought Bradford steadied with the introduction of Langley, le strange and manuokafoa but the damage was done. Some of the assistance from the 'child' like touch judges was equally poor too.

I'd say there are more than usual complaining about the ref on here today

I would like to think that had the ref applied the rules consistently and fairly to both teams then the game would have been so much different. Its refereeing performances like Toby's that will kill our game off!

I don't think it would have. We were our own worst enemies at times, with defending like the Laffranchi try, and a halfback in Addy who will try his best, but is clearly not a half. Jonny Lomax was outstanding, and Sia Soliola at the beginning of the game had targeted Sammut and was making a ridiculous amount of metres every time he ran the ball in.

Saints were the better team today. The only difference the referee made IMO was that it may have been a bit closer. Saints would have still won IMO.

Saints were good but not outstanding,they didn't need to be,we were crap and the ref even crapper

30 minutes for first penalty to us,no team is that good with these whistles happy refs,if Ganson or Childs were reffing there would of been 10 penalties in first 20 minutes

difference was saints got you onto your backs, you didnt and often left hands in. Saints were smarted at the ruck, you werent as smart. I thought you did deserve a few extra penalties but some of the booing was childish in the extreme

Someone said about saints booing - we were taking the mick out of your booing

I have to say, as a Saints fan, we usually only get nonsense like that at Huddersfield. They like to shout ever other pass as forward. Our home fans can get worked up some times but do not go on for all the game.

Wrestling is a part of the modern game, if the ref says move you move. Saints stayed in the tackle as long as they were allowed to then got out at the right time, Bradford didn't. It is not that hard to understand. I don't like it but that is the way it is. Booing the ref just make you all seem a bit foolish.

In the end Bradford lost because they are a very poor side coached really badly. Hopefully you can get a few players back and get better. All the best for the rest of the season.

Don't be so one-eyed. So you got every tackle spot on? Timed to perfection? Yet we didn't.
We were poor and if you read these threads no one disputes that, no one is blaming the referee for losing. But even Saints fans must be able to see how poor he was. Had he been consistent. Had he penalised both teams the same, then no problem. But he wasn't and that's why the crowd got on his back. Take your Saints blinkers off and have another look at his performance.

And the problem you dont see is the difference in how (technically) the sides were tackling. If you watch that from a coaches POV saints were winning the tackle area with and without the ball most of the time, you weren't and were leaving hands in etc and got pinged. You did deserve a couple more penalties I thought but not many more than that. Win the collision, get longer, simple as that

But even when we did win the collision all Roby did was tell us to get up and allow Saints to wrestle on the ground. Saints did not win every collision for every tackle in the opening 35 mins. There is no way on earth Saints would have been allowed to wrestle like that with Ganson Silverwood or most of the other refs in charge.

You say wrestling is part of the game, they must have changed the rules for the Hull v.s Warrington game then.

I don't think anyone has said Saints weren't the better side - they were by a country mile and in all departments, but it doesn't alter the fact they got away with constantly holding down whilst we were continually 'pinged' for it; it was one-eyed refereeing of the worst order, imo.

I think I've put elsewhere that Roby is new and may well go on to become a good referee over time, but I sincerely hope we don't see him again until he is.

Saints dominated the collision so got quicker PTBs when they had the ball. When we had the ball we often got dominated by the Saints defence so it was a slower PTB. Many of the penalties at the PTB were because we were trying to slow it down on the ground. Once we fell into that spiral we expended a lot of energy and the defence got pulled apart.

My problem with the ref was his inconsistent interpretation of things like offside and hands on the ball at the PTB. These seemed to be made at random and just broke up the pattern of play making it a pretty awful spectacle. He almost seemed to look as if he had to justify his existence on the field by constantly blowing up. I thought he was too keen on the technical stuff at times and dug a hole for himself and got whistle happy.

I hope we don't get him again soon. I hope he's kept clear of any big showpiece games too.