Suggest a new thread where references to BoD, shareholders indeed anything which has happened before the 4th June 2012 is baned.

What - if anything do members of the forum think would be acceptable ways of taking the club forward in a sustainable way?

Assuming some of the management either read or contribute to the forum what do we think about:

1) The price of next season's (hope not tempting fate) tickets?
2) Emergency pledge of the season No 2, would you even contemplate making a further blind contibution, and if not what level of information would you think necessary to persuade you to contribute?
3) The opportunity to invest?
4) Is the club more important than the venue it plays at?
5) How do you persuade an extra 5000 to come through the gates for each game?
6) Which players should we endeavour to keep to build the future team around?

I think the majority of posters - though not always agreeing - only want to see the club survive and prosper

Don't panic.......I dropped Russell Crowe a tweet asking him to save us, so all sorted

I fear at the moment the only thing Russel is saving is a team consisting only of players named Burgess!

Apparantly he was not sure at first that this was a good idea, but the players agent persuaded him

If he wants to take over and field a team full of the Burgess boys at Odsal I for one would be a happy man...........

1) I think the price of tickets is clearly going to rise - probably steeply. Difficult one for the board, whoever is in charge, as attendances will obviously be affected by the rising prices.

2 & 3) Think these should be one and the same, to be honest and for me the answer is I most probably would, though I accept that many won't be in the position, or willing, to do so. It would also be helped if some sort of better example was being set by those in charge. The stupid child in a pram with a rattle stuff we're getting right now must end pronto, imo.

4) No brainer. No need to answer. Except that as things stand if we move away from Odsal our debts will increase substantially, not to mention that a move to VP would likely mean us paying the same as City, and they continually complain about how much it costs. Many seem to think the landlord would simply allow both clubs to split City's current rent, but why would they do that if they didn't have to?

5) Not a clue. We would need another Peter Deakin and they don't grow on trees, unfortunately. Will we be in the position of having the money to pay a marketing guru anyway. Or maybe we simply can't afford not to? Peter's template will still be around somewhere anyway...though I'm not convinced you can just do the same thing again, though much of it was aimed at kids and there are always a new lot of kids around so maybe this could be the exception which proves the rule?

6) Short answer is all of them, I guess. Truth is, most likely it won't be our decision. ATEOTD you can only get a fee for players wanted by another club and that will be their decision not ours. Beggars can't be choosers, if we need the cash urgently enough and there is no other way of sourcing it, off they will go.

1) £120 rising to £140 the following season

2) Not a snowball in hell's chance

3) No - an empty gesture if its small scale, a barrier to a serious investor if its large scale

4) Yes, but not convinced that the ground is the problem

5) Will only happen if we unearth another generation of players like the golden era but at modest cost. In the short term we need to learn to survive on modest gates

6) None, if the price of keeping them is insolvency

Just a question why do you need another 5000 fans???

Surely the same 10k fans paying proper season ticket prices rather than slashed ticket prices will create the revenue needed. I think 10k fans is the commonly held number quoted for a break even on finances at a SL club. Obviously there will be degrees of up and down on this according to costs at each club, but you would imagine most clubs have a similar set of expenditures, given the salary cap limits player wages and that in essense the rest of the staff should be pretty similar, ie coach, conditioner etc.

I can't recall the cost of a saints adult season ticket just now, but I think the cheapest option was pushing £200. What was the cheapest adult season ticket for Bradford this year? When you add the difference per ticket then I imagine that would make quite a difference to revenues.

Agree entirely to all, except expect higher ticket prices than that.

Caisley absolutely panned the people of Bradford in 2005 for not turning out to support the club in big enough numbers. That is the crux of all our problems. He failed to persuade the people then, when we were at the top and the economy was in a boom. I wonder how he intends to persuade them now? I think your point 5 sums it up!

Why another 5000, a few points:
1) Without a sugar daddy we need a bigger gate to be competitive.
2) More through the gates attracts more sponsors.
3) Linked to my first point more fans means you can keep the ticket prices down.
4) Not likely a SL licence would be denied a team with gates over 15000

Medium term the biggest issue for the club and no easy answers though a good team certainly helps

Wednesday is D day
The Bradford bulls flag will be flying at half mask
Caisley will again finish us "but wait a minute he's so insistent that Peter hoods mess left him no option but to go into administration" blah blah blah stop speeling the lies you crock!

Interesting claim. Any source for Wednesday being d day?

Your man bowling bull said friday (gone) or Wednesday after bank holiday. Friday has gone so I'm assuming Wednesday??? See post titled administration.
Who knows with all this arguing
Makes our club look like its run by a load of right tools tho!

Nope bowlingbull said Friday or Tuesday and he's been shown to be a fool repeatedly.

No he didn't to be fair, he said friday or wednesday. That said its probably rubbish anyway.

Which could be suggested, if they had said or done anything in the public domain to make that assumption.

Or we could just wait to see what happens. Crazy I know....

Friday was always a non starter. Too close to a televised match, the potential for chaos was too great.

The noises being made by the shareholders suggest that an announcement isn't imminent. They will not want to be accused of putting the club into administration too easily. And delaying administration would "help" to build up the debt that was paid off by the pledge.

IF we do go into administration, my guess would be mid July.

I would guess its unlikely at this stage until every avenue is explored fully. What is evident, is the problems are likely greater than was initially suggested. For that reason, and providing it is the final option, administration is no bad thing. I would feel incredibly sorry for any SME's that were adversely affected, but I would hope that the previous board didn't generate a large level of credit with any small businesses to be overly detrimental to them.

In more simple terms, admininstration would enable the club to effectively wipe a slate (it sounds harsh but it is a reality of modern business sadly) and re-sign those players of long erm value whilst letting go some of the journeymen who offer us little. Similarly, a number of the quality and extremely hard working staff can be retained whilst some, who for obvious reasons, will be of less value moving forward. It would also allow whatever investors (including CC or whomever else) to obtain whatever shares they wished, I would hope and expect to be to the benefit of the club.

The semantics of administration are somewhat irrelevant given that it is the future of the club that is absolutely prime in the whole debate and not simply how a sandwich shop in Wibsey might be adversely affected. A harsh reality, but I would rather place the safeguarding our our club as being top of any agenda and discussion point.

We need a clear plan revealing ASAP, the last we need is this saga dragging out into July. With the club in special measures we are seemingly unable to bid for out of contract players and unable to offer terms to our current players.

A little bit more honesty from the directors with how things are presented to the fans wouldn't go amiss either. I think the feelings amongst most fans is cut the crap and the point scoring and give us a little bit of honesty.

Absolutely. Transparency with the fans is absolutely paramount to its success and has been somewhat missing for a number of years. People aren't stupid and quite logically invest their mental and physical time into the club on a daily basis.

At this stage it's unlikely and not particularly prudent to drip feed news on a daily basis; because the effects could be negatively consequential in trying to secure the best outcome. Unfortunately we leave in an era where social media dictates the request for news on demand. There is however a fine line between feeding that beast and providing poignant, valid information.

In terms of players, the playing roster will be critical moving forward and for that reason I'm pretty confident the right players will be retained and new additions brought in when time and finances dictate. Administration doesn't mean we would be unable to compete, since I'm certain any review team wouldn't be so overtly naive as to ignore the contractual consequences. Similarly, whilst special measures may be in place, non of us are dim enough to think that conversations still can't take place off the record. It's not reinventing the wheel

From todays T&A...

Coulby told the T&A: “Our efforts at the present time are firmly focused on keeping the club out of administration and putting it on a sustainable business footing moving forward.

“At the conclusion of this process, we intend to give a full account of exactly what has occurred over the past two years and this will answer much of what has been raised by Peter Hood in Monday’s Telegraph & Argus.

“We owe this anyway to the supporters of the club, whose magnificent efforts in April have given us more than a fighting chance of achieving our objective.”

I just hope he is true to his word, he'll get a lot of support back on side if he is.

And I don't doubt that conversations are taking place despite the special measures but it is a big hinderance I would of thought. Some players might quite rightly be a little nervous to accept a verbal agreement from the Bulls right now with some much speculation and uncertainty.

Supporters mentioned.

It needs sorting and quickly. Clubs are doing some trading now and it appears we can't. We have too many OOC, and in fairness to them, with mortgages and bills to pay, they are going to have to secure their futures, no matter how much they may want to stay. Couldn't blame them.

Yup. And I'm sure any players would be given reassurances to isolate and mitigate that very point.

Nobody wants administration either financially, morally or PR wise. Nor do I see it as an easy option for anybody involved. The review will outline as Coulby says, where we are, what has happened and what will be happening.

As for Hoods grandstanding in the T&A, I'm actually embarrassed for the man. The number of times he contradicts himself in one article is frightening. "we did pay, we didn't pay; we didn't borrow, we did borrow; we did get, we didn't get." it simply smacks of a flag waving Jonah with very little in the way of business acumen, hence our current predicament.

I mentioned the VAT scenario months ago, it's a pity he didn't!

Seems there is too much grandstanding from the major shareholders. We have a real chance with the present squad with some quality additions to making a challenge next year. Whilst we have this hanging over our heads the likelihood is that we will be left behind for another season.