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| After their result at home to Warrington tonight I'm not so sure that this will be all plain sailing next Sunday at Odsal.
On one hand which could and should be of some benefit to us is that it's the week before the crunch Challeneg Cup semi-final at the Stobart Stadium, Widnes.
So they could cry foul and rest a few of the stars.
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| Or maybe they could try hard to build some momentum?
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| Quote ="Mick Gledhill"After their result at home to Warrington tonight I'm not so sure that this will be all plain sailing next Sunday at Odsal.
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I don't think many Bulls fans would have suggested it was plain sailing even before hearing the Warrington result!
Catalans were favourite is my eyes before seeing that result anyway. We are just that poor in terms of quality at the moment.
I think our next two home games are winnable though.
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| Quote ="dixie"I don't think many Bulls fans would have suggested it was plain sailing even before hearing the Warrington result!
Catalans were favourite is my eyes before seeing that result anyway. We are just that poor in terms of quality at the moment.
I think our next two home games are winnable though.'"
Agree and it would be good to finish the season on a high.
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| I think it depends if Cats rest some of their forwards. Bradford are severely lacking in power up front, if Cats get a roll on they have the backs to exploit it, if the likes of Greenshields & Bosc are playing.
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| I just hope the players who have continually let the team down are dropped for this game. If it's the same 19 apart from Sykes returning I think I'll cry! The play offs are gone now, the club should be marketing the final couple of games as a chance to see the Bulls stars of the future.
Hopefully Crookes might be fit for this one too.
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| Quote ="Bully_Boxer"I just hope the players who have continually let the team down are dropped for this game. If it's the same 19 apart from Sykes returning I think I'll cry! The play offs are gone now, the club should be marketing the final couple of games as a chance to see the Bulls stars of the future.
Hopefully Crookes might be fit for this one too.'"
Agree and to the two Bulls supporters sat in front of me yesterday, drop the players who are leaving us and concentrate on those that will be with us next season.
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| Quote ="Bully_Boxer"I just hope the players who have continually let the team down are dropped for this game. If it's the same 19 apart from Sykes returning I think I'll cry! The play offs are gone now, the club should be marketing the final couple of games as a chance to see the Bulls stars of the future.
Hopefully Crookes might be fit for this one too.'"
He's played for the under 20s, so it may just be a case of match fitness. I must say though, that he didn't look to be as dominant at that level as he did before the injury, so it may be a bit early.
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| Clear out the poor players and get the youngsters in with Beaver and I bet we get a good game and a win.
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| Bradford 22/24/26 - 26/28/30 Catalans
After watching the Catalans highlights vs Warrington we could be in trouble on Sunday.
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| One upside to Sunday is the fact many of us will be in the Coral stand!
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| Quote ="zapperbull"Clear out the poor players and get the youngsters in with Beaver and I bet we get a good game and a win.
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Youngsters at fault on several occasions and Menzies was Hull KR's gamebresker on 40 minutes. Don't buy it that playing the kids en masse will help. Isn't that what Wigan were doing when they had 145 points put on them inside a single week?
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| Quote ="af"Youngsters at fault on several occasions and Menzies was Hull KR's gamebresker on 40 minutes. Don't buy it that playing the kids en masse will help. Isn't that what Wigan were doing when they had 145 points put on them inside a single week?'"
OK so with score lines against us with the team at the moment of 30- 40 points means we should keep the same team!
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| Quote ="af"Youngsters at fault on several occasions and Menzies was Hull KR's gamebresker on 40 minutes. Don't buy it that playing the kids en masse will help. Isn't that what Wigan were doing when they had 145 points put on them inside a single week?'"
I agree that a team full of kids won't help. But it won't hurt either. They can't do any worse surely?
I wouldn't pick the entire side full of just kids and Beaver, but I do think this is the point where it's worth giving a couple more a run out. And by a couple more, I mean those on the fringes already like Southernwood, Olbison & Wardle. Putting those that they don't feel are ready yet in would be daft and only harm their confidence.
The only thing to bear in mind is that we don't HAVE to pick the best side to win the match. IMO we pick the side that's best for the future and leave out anyone who's leaving after this season.
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| I've never agreed with the idea of throwing youngsters in en masse. Its a good way of destroying their confidence, particularly as the call to throw them in usually comes when the more experienced players are under performing. 2 or 3 at any one time should be the maximum. I think Whithead has now established himself to the point that I wouldnt count him in that number, but I wouldnt play anymore than Finnegan, Addy & Olbison or Crossley if possible.
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| agree to an extent about not throwing too many kids in at once. That said we desperately need some creativity so I think its a must that southernwood plays. he's clearly not injured as hes playing u20s so only other reason I could see for him not being selected is if theres some sort of off field issue going on. I'd either leave addy out altogether or give him a go in his proper position at loose. If nero is going at end of season then one of wardle/crookes should get a game, preferably wardle. Finigan picks himself probably taking one off reardon/halleys spots. Only other youngster Id like to see given a run out who hasnt featured yet is george burgess. It would be a fitting gesture for him to debut whilst his sponsors are in the coral stand and I thinks he'd probably offer a bit more than crossley, who I cant see us retaining tbh.
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| Quote ="DILLIGAF"The only thing to bear in mind is that we don't HAVE to pick the best side to win the match. IMO we pick the side that's best for the future and leave out anyone who's leaving after this season.'"
Exactly my point. I'm not suggesting we should be dropping senior players because the juniors will win our remaining games for us.
I'm just sick of the same 'Senior players' making the same mistakes each week and still getting a shirt. If the likes of Worrincy/Reardon are back on display on Sunday, I'd struggle to argue with anyone who thought they'd be better off doing something else with their Sunday afternoon. I'll be there as always, but I just hope Hilaire is brave and picks a side that all the fans can get behind on Sunday. Nobody will think any less of the young guys if they miss some tackles or make errors, it will happen because they're inexperienced. I'd not suggesting we put our u20's out, but I think we could introduce another 2 young players into the 19.
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| The season has gone for me, it's now got to be about giving some youngsters some game time, give Olbison a run at the expense of Worrincy, and seen as though young Crossley has had a bash for a few games give young G Burgess a run for the last few games.
Not to sure about Crookes, can't see him ever making it.
Providing we have a full squad I would go something like this against Catalans.
Sykes
Sheriffe
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Finnigan
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| Quote ="mat". Only other youngster Id like to see given a run out who hasnt featured yet is george burgess. It would be a fitting gesture for him to debut whilst his sponsors are in the coral stand .'"
Is that a reason for picking a player?
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| It's all well and good wanting more youngsters thrown in, but we don't know the contractual and subsequent financial repercussions of doing so.
Players could have clauses in contracts entitling them to bonus payments/wage increases if they play so many games, clauses which -allow whole contracts to be re-negotiated after a young player makes so many appearances aren't unheard of either.
Everyone can see there are players who are very lucky to be keeping hold of their places, but replacing them often isn't as simple as it seems.
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| Quote ="Asim"It's all well and good wanting more youngsters thrown in, but we don't know the contractual and subsequent financial repercussions of doing so.
Players could have clauses in contracts entitling them to bonus payments/wage increases if they play so many games, clauses which -allow whole contracts to be re-negotiated after a young player makes so many appearances aren't unheard of either.
Everyone can see there are players who are very lucky to be keeping hold of their places, but replacing them often isn't as simple as it seems.'"
So we keep playing the same players who can't perform and just hope something magical will happen? Most of the young kids have played quite a few games now so I would suppose they are already getting small bonuses. One thing's for sure they're not getting "win" bonuses. If George or Tom is nearly ready why not give them a run out instead of Worrincy or Crossley?
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| Quote ="Spannerz"So we keep playing the same players who can't perform and just hope something magical will happen?'"
No, but under the same premise of "this season doesn't matter now, look to the future", then why would you spend money you didn't have to? If giving a young player a debut would cost the club money, why spend it when we don't have to?
It would be nice to know all the ins and outs, then maybe we'd have a better idea of who was "available" and who wasn't. Although personally I think I'd be tempted to go with 16 players rather than include one such back rower.
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| Quote ="Cibaman"Is that a reason for picking a player?'"
certainly not the primary one. Think given the performances hes putting in in u20's he's earnt a chance and would a bit of bulk to our pack. sponsors being in coral stand is just a lucky coincidence.
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| Quote ="DILLIGAF"No, but under the same premise of "this season doesn't matter now, look to the future", then why would you spend money you didn't have to? If giving a young player a debut would cost the club money, why spend it when we don't have to?'"
Exactly, especially when there isn't much in the way of spare cash (if any) floating around.
For all I know it might not even be applicable to any of the youngsters on the fringes, but such situations are far from unheard of.
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One of Southernwood, Olbison or Crookes to complete 19 man squad.
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