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| [url=http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sport/sportbulls/8250528.Potter_and_McDermott_favourites_for_Bulls_job/=#800000Connor Murphy[/url suggests so.
Until something is formally announced, I'll treat everything still as speculation. However, I'd be quite happy should this prove to be the case.
EDIT: just changed the thread title, given its more likely the article is to be read one or the other but not both...so see subsequent clarifications!
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| Quote ="Adeybull"[url=http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sport/sportbulls/8250528.Potter_and_McDermott_favourites_for_Bulls_job/=#800000Connor Murphy[/url suggests so.
Until something is formally announced, I'll treat everything still as speculation. However, I'd be quite happy should this prove to be the case.'"
you really think so? I read that article as it was going to be one or the other not both. Cant see either being prepared to be assistant and also cant see us having money to pay two wages.
Out of the two I'd prefer Potter with only worry being his stated wish to return to Australia. Cant help thinking he's only interested in bulls job because their are no coaching vacancies in NRL and should one come up he'd be off leaving us to start over again.
Wouldnt mind mcdermott as think he's done a decent job at quins with limited resources and is probably the best english candidate. Interesting that bulls were unwilling to pay compensation for last year of kears contract, isnt mcdermott still under contract at quins for another year or do they have a replacement lined up already? ( Betts)
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| Yeah that article reads as one or t'other definitely.
I've said from the start I expected McDermott, and for the further development of our excellent youth system, it wouldn't be a bad choice. However from a first team point of view, Potter may well be the better choice.
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| Quote ="DILLIGAF"Yeah that article reads as one or t'other definitely.
I've said from the start I expected McDermott, and for the further development of our excellent youth system, it wouldn't be a bad choice. However from a first team point of view, Potter may well be the better choice.'"
one thought that has just struck me is mcdermott as coach with potter in a mentoring role until a he gets a suitable nrl post. might be a decent option
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| Quote ="mat"one thought that has just struck me is mcdermott as coach with potter in a mentoring role until a he gets a suitable nrl post. might be a decent option'"
Decent option, yes. Financially viable option? I doubt it.
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| Must admit I (probably wrongly, on closer reading) read it as both of them...if just one then we are back to the McDermott the best of the British possibilities, but unlikely to excite the fans as an appointment. Probably best for continuing the junior development though.
I'd be happy with Potter though for the first team, especially since we have some good guys already handling junior development. And if we were indeed able to sign an Aussie (almost certainly assistant) coach, it would probably be no different to what you suggest re Potter - first chance of a head coach job back home, he'd be off?
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| Several posts made while I was typing mine...and see DILLIGAF said same as me re the relative benefits of each!
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| I'd been fairly happy with McDermott but I've said all along that I'd like to see Potter at the Bulls. I would like to see a pretty firm commitment of 3 years or so. If Potter isn't willing to sign a 3 year deal and stick it out, perhaps McDermott will be the new man.
If we go with McDermott I'd like to see Lowes back at the club as assistant, a fresh start wouldn't appear to be a bad thing looking in from the outside.
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| There WERE rumours from dahn sarth of Brian Mac moving to Bradford as assistant.
Maybe there IS scope for a deal for Potter AND Mac...with Mac the long-term bet once Mick gets a head coach job in Oz?
Hey, all speculation till we get an announcement. Sounds though like its up before t'board for imminent decision, given Connor has a good track record so far.
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| Quote ="Adeybull"There WERE rumours from dahn sarth of Brian Mac moving to Bradford as assistant.
Maybe there IS scope for a deal for Potter AND Mac...with Mac the long-term bet once Mick gets a head coach job in Oz?
Hey, all speculation till we get an announcement. Sounds though like its up before t'board for imminent decision, given Connor has a good track record so far.'"
That would be a very strong coaching team but also a costly one. Given the tight budget of the last few years it does seem rather unlikely, but I'd be very pleased to see the above happen.
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| Quote ="Bully_Boxer"That would be a very strong coaching team but also a costly one. Given the tight budget of the last few years it does seem rather unlikely, but I'd be very pleased to see the above happen.'"
Indeed it would. Maybe you could argue that this year we had to spend a load on the new Tong facility which we would not have to (as much?) next year, so next year we similarly compromise and spend that bit of cash on coaching staff?
OK, clutching at straws and wishful thinking, I know...!
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| We can hope! I said a while back that I'd like to see someone like Lowes brought in as well for an assistant role alongside an experienced coach. I'd be pretty surprised if McDermott stepped back down to assistant coach after his stint at Harlequins though.
We've been short on numbers on the coaching team for sometime now, so maybe have now addressed this weakness? I'd like to think so, but I won't get my hopes too high. The coffers must have taken another battering given some of our crowds this year.
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| Potter would edge it for for me, but McDermott would be a good choice. I think either would offer a genuine improvement on McNamara - he's been at Odsal too long now and it is time for someone else to take over.
Hopefully you won't be getting the Sharp & St. Hilaire 'dream ticket' though (or maybe not from a Leeds perspective).
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| Quote ="Adeybull"
Indeed it would. Maybe you could argue that this year we had to spend a load on the new Tong facility which we would not have to (as much?) next year, so next year we similarly compromise and spend that bit of cash on coaching staff?
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I'd have thought any extra cash ( if any ) would be used for players, maybe as an incentive for the new coach to show the club means business.
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| Quote ="dixie"I'd have thought any extra cash ( if any ) would be used for players, maybe as an incentive for the new coach to show the club means business.'"
Or the amount of money available should be made clear to the new coach, who would then decide whether it should be spent directly on the playing squad or on his coaching staff?
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| One thing about it - if true, it deffo confirms (if such were needed) that [inone[/i of our visiting Oracles do in fact have any real inside information!
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| Quote ="dixie"I'd have thought any extra cash ( if any ) would be used for players, maybe as an incentive for the new coach to show the club means business.'"
So many on here have been clamouring for the club to spend on coaching staff, have they not? How might they react if we cut corners on the coaching staff, even if to pay for say one or two more middle-rank players?
Club runs the risk of being damned if they do and damned if they do not.
With the youth pipeline starting to hit paydirt, I'd personally prefer we got the future coaching structure "right", even if that limited the player budget a little at least in the short term.
Since the "right" coaching appointment/s will surely bring more fans flocking back, as the Macca Sackers have assured us, and thereby generate more funds for players going forward anyway.
And on the basis that the "right" coaching staff will surely bring the results that all the Macca Sackers have assured us they will, even working to the same player budgets as Macca has had to, since they regularly assure us that the "Right" appointments will clearly be far better coaches than Macca is? I cannot imagine any of the Macca Sackers now saying that the budget constraint, out of his hands, was in fact a big issue and that the "right" coaching team cannot in fact do better than Macca without more budget?
So I agree with the Macca Sackers on that point - you want to get the "right" coaching appointments, you gotta pay for it. And if that is at the expense of other budgets, well is there an alternative?
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| Quote ="dixie"I'd have thought any extra cash ( if any ) would be used for players, maybe as an incentive for the new coach to show the club means business.'"
I think the biggest problem we may face is the lack of talent likely to be up for grabs. The new coach is going to have to be up to speed with players in SL (without a quota spot available) to recruit from. The new coach is going to have to work hard with the squad we have and the young players already at the club. I don't expect we'll see a huge turnaround in personnel this year.
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| I can not understand why people want a coach that whose team had done nothing in the past years, in fact not even getting a higher position in the SL than our beloved Bradford.
If Brian McDermott gets the job I can not see us progressing in the SL
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| Quote ="zapperbull"I can not understand why people want a coach that whose team had done nothing in the past years, in fact not even getting a higher position in the SL than our beloved Bradford.
If Brian McDermott gets the job I can not see us progressing in the SL
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You really think it's as simple as where you finish in a table as to how good a coach is?
I would argue the budget down at Quins is probably lower than ours, especially considering their constantly poor attendances. Put the same coach in a rich club (i.e. Warrington) and I don't think he'd have that team 2nd from bottom.
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| So long as it's not Sharpe. The dullest man in RL!
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| Quote ="Adeybull"Indeed it would. Maybe you could argue that this year we had to spend a load on the new Tong facility which we would not have to (as much?) next year, so next year we similarly compromise and spend that bit of cash on coaching staff?
OK, clutching at straws and wishful thinking, I know...!
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Or maybe another large debt was cleared in the last year?
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| Quote ="Bulliac"Or maybe another large debt was cleared in the last year?'"
My most recent understanding was that at least one significant obligation will be with us for a while yet
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| Would we have to pay compensation to 'Quin's if we signed McDermott? And if so would the club want to sign him?
I think he's in the same boat as McNamara - a good reputation as a coach (I know a lot of Leeds fans where sad to see him leav) but nothing to suggest he's capable of bringing success to a club as Head Coach as Quin's seem to be going backwards. The same goes for Jimmy Lowes.
If things are going to be tight for another few years (and if we finally get permission to develop Odsal it would surely effect the clubs budget) wouldn't we be better with an experienced coach who has experience working on a budget and developing youth.
Oh God... it's not going to be Daryl Powell is it? Please stay Macca!
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| Quote ="Adeybull"My most recent understanding was that at least one significant obligation will be with us for a while yet
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What a pi55er that is.
I was hoping we might have that sorted soon.
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