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| Oh great, he's found the Super League website too.
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| Quote ="DILLIGAF"Oh great, he's found the Super League website too.'"

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| Try this BSC me old chum [urlhttp://www.gillette4nations.co.uk/[/url
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| Quote ="Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza"Try this BSC me old chum [urlhttp://www.gillette4nations.co.uk/[/url
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| Howe many posts will he need to become a Bronze Member?
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| Tomkins will be found out against the antipodeans.
Good broken field runner but so is Burrow and he rarely did owt to trouble the Aussies or Kiwis.
Hasn't turned up in the bigger games against the likes of Saints and Leeds. Danny Brough has a better all round game, I would pick him.
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| Quote ="Ancient Provocateur"Tomkins will be found out against the antipodeans.
Good broken field runner but so is Burrow and he rarely did owt to trouble the Aussies or Kiwis.
Hasn't turned up in the bigger games against the likes of Saints and Leeds. Danny Brough has a better all round game, I would pick him.'"
It's alright being a good broken field runner but versus the Aussies we never have the opportunity to do any broken field running as teir defence is usually spot on. What Engalnd lack is a properly creative halfback who can put people through gaps..
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| Quote ="Bullseye"It's alright being a good broken field runner but versus the Aussies we never have the opportunity to do any broken field running as teir defence is usually spot on. What Engalnd lack is a properly creative halfback who can put people through gaps..'"
Yep, I agree. Smith will try and get Sinfield to do this, IMO a player too small for an international 13 and too slow for an international 6.
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| Quote ="Ancient Provocateur"Tomkins will be found out against the antipodeans.
Good broken field runner but so is Burrow and he rarely did owt to trouble the Aussies or Kiwis.
Hasn't turned up in the bigger games against the likes of Saints and Leeds. Danny Brough has a better all round game, I would pick him.'"
You'll find Tomkins has picked up Man of the match awards against Leeds and St Helens live on Sky this season, so he obviously has ''turned up''.
In regards to the 'broken field runner'. That's totally wrong. He can create breaks and opportunities from even the most stubborn of defences, that's why he's been selected and Burrow/Pryce haven't.
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| Quote ="ABP'"You'll find Tomkins has picked up Man of the match awards against Leeds and St Helens live on Sky this season, so he obviously has ''turned up''.
In regards to the 'broken field runner'. That's totally wrong. He can create breaks and opportunities from even the most stubborn of defences, that's why he's been selected and Burrow/Pryce haven't.'"
Yeah, cos Stevo isn't at all biased towards picking young English halfbacks
Fair play to the kid IMO he is head and shoulder above Eastmond and Myler as a half back just a long way off from being the finished product. Just think he could do with a full season being no. 1 playmaker at Wigan before using him for England - could be bad for his development.
It would be less of an issue if he were a big unit forward or an outside back where the game is more straightforward, mind. Thats why Eastmond should play centre IMO
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| Quote ="Ancient Provocateur"Yeah, cos Stevo isn't at all biased towards picking young English halfbacks
Fair play to the kid IMO he is head and shoulder above Eastmond and Myler as a half back just a long way off from being the finished product. Just think he could do with a full season being no. 1 playmaker at Wigan before using him for England - could be bad for his development.
It would be less of an issue if he were a big unit forward or an outside back where the game is more straightforward, mind. Thats why Eastmond should play centre IMO'"
Regardless of who Stevo picks, his performances were good enough to even be considered for MOM.
Whether he needs a full season as no.1 playmaker at Wigan or not, that's another issue. The simple fact of the matter is that form suggests that he is currently the best stand off/halfback in this country at the moment, and that can't be overlooked because he's 'inexperienced'.
He HAS stepped upto Super League
He HAS stepped upto 'Big games'
He HAS stepped upto international RL (hatrick and MOM on debut)
It would be stupid not to play him.
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| Quote ="ABP'"
He HAS stepped upto 'Big games'
He HAS stepped upto international RL'"
If you believe that your a bigger fool than Stevo.
Wigan have only had two big games this season and Tomkins was exposed or dealt with in both.
Beating a bunch of NL players hardly is stepping up at international level. Lets see how he does against the antipodeans.
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| Quote ="Ancient Provocateur"If you believe that your a bigger fool than Stevo.
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| Quote ="ABP'"Way to lose the argument.
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| Quote ="Ancient Provocateur"Way to side step my cogent points
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One 'cogent' point is wrong. You're suggesting that league games against the top two teams in the competition (one being our local rivals) aren't big games. Which is just a ridiculous.
And the other isn't a point at all, in fact it proves why he should be selected as he starred in a game against NL opposition as expected and showed no evidence why he shouldn't be picked.
Who will do a better job than Tomkins in the halves?
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Who will do a better job than Tomkins in the halves?'"
Well that's the big question. Personally I'd have gone the Burrow and McGuire but we don't lose much by having Tomkins instead of Burrow. I just don't think either Tomkins or McGuire are good enough to worry Australia.
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| Quote ="Bullseye" I just don't think either Tomkins or McGuire are good enough to worry Australia.'"
McGuire is imo, and Tomkins will be in a few years.
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| Quote ="Ewwenorfolk"McGuire is imo, and Tomkins will be in a few years.'"
I'm not so sure, McGuire's "ok" at test level but not at the level of a Marshall or a Thurston. Tomkins has [proved he can play well in SL but it's a big step up to do it in the tests versus NZ and Australia.
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| Quote ="Bullseye"I'm not so sure, McGuire's "ok" at test level but not at the level of a Marshall or a Thurston. Tomkins has [proved he can play well in SL but it's a big step up to do it in the tests versus NZ and Australia.'"
Imo
6. Tomkins
7. Myler
Is the future but not for 4/5 years.
I agree that Tomkins isn't the finished article yet, but McGuire is the best Half we have by a country mile.
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| Quote ="Ewwenorfolk"I agree that Tomkins isn't the finished article yet, but McGuire is the best Half we have by a country mile.'"
I think Tomkins is better than McGuire but McGuire has shown he can play well on big occaisions, something Tomkins has yet to consistantly prove.
It's a tough one.
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| Quote ="Bullseye"Tomkins has [proved he can play well in SL but it's a big step up to do it in the tests versus NZ and Australia.'"
Yes, and that is why he should get the chance. Because it's a big step up. Let's see if he can rise to the occasion. If Eastmond gets to play, I know he will. I'd like to think that Tomkins would as well.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"Yes, and that is why he should get the chance. Because it's a big step up. Let's see if he can rise to the occasion. If Eastmond gets to play, I know he will. I'd like to think that Tomkins would as well.'"
I think long term, Eastmond may be a FB or 6 but I don't think he'll make it as a 7. But that'sjust my opinion.
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| If anyone saw Myler's "performance" in the Wales game, they'd probably choose McGuire and Tomkins to play 6 & 7 (either way around). Both have played 7 before, so no reason to not pick both. Tomkins IMO played his way into the team and deserves the chance based on that Wales match. Myler was crap and shouldn't be picked. He's got plenty of time to play in the future, but IMO you should earn the spot, and Tomkins did exactly that.
As far as Eastmond goes, play him in the centres. Played there plenty for Saints at the end of the year and we're short of quality centres in the squad.
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| Quote ="DILLIGAF"If anyone saw Myler's "performance" in the Wales game, they'd probably choose McGuire and Tomkins to play 6 & 7 (either way around). Both have played 7 before, so no reason to not pick both. Tomkins IMO played his way into the team and deserves the chance based on that Wales match. Myler was crap and shouldn't be picked. He's got plenty of time to play in the future, but IMO you should earn the spot, and Tomkins did exactly that.
As far as Eastmond goes, play him in the centres. Played there plenty for Saints at the end of the year and we're short of quality centres in the squad.'"
I'd love to see that. Give him a shot, see what he can do. Might take the Aussies by surprise.
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