www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/s ... ideo_refs/ I understand he may feel aggrevied with a few controversial decisions but this guy sure does like to whinge. Maybe he has just read AP's song about him I suppose it makes a change from most coaches calling for them to be used at ALL matches

www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/s ... ideo_refs/ I understand he may feel aggrevied with a few controversial decisions but this guy sure does like to whinge. Maybe he has just read AP's song about him I suppose it makes a change from most coaches calling for them to be used at ALL matches

Should this thread not be renamed, "McNamara, Banana Video Refs"?

whoops.

I'm glad to hear he's said he's going to shut up about refs next season. I was getting sick of hearing about it. It's the sort of thing you hear from coaches who are losing their grip. It does him no credit at all.

As for his proposal to get rid of video refs there is absolutely no chance of this happening.

Or McBanana Video Refs?

Must say though.. I agree. I think the use of video ref's is starting to have a negative effect on the game. I certainly don't want to be stood waiting 5 mins for a decision at a non televised game and not even be able to make my own mind up on the legality of the try.

The full time ref's are getting video ref decisions wrong.. so how bad will it be with a non FT ref at the controls if they implement them at all matches?

Hard not to agree with any of that IMHO. I was talking about the self and same the other week with a mate / came up with the following instances.

I'm sure the following could be replicated to some degree by every other club in Super League. . . . but wouldn't that just serve to strengthen the point?

I've not posted these as a whinge (honest

) just as a possible reference to the fact that [imaybe [/ithe Video ref isn't, at present/as currently being managed, all it's cracked up / supposed to be. . . .

Vs Leeds - Halley drops ball but kicks it forward before it hits the ground, then runs on, regathers and touches down. Perfectly good try as admitted by Scummins, "controller" of referees. Video ref disallows it.

Vs Hull Fc, Cup quarter final - perfectly good try (Again admitted by Scummins again . . . .) by T Newton . . . which would have won us the game - whether we deserved it or not. Disallowed by video ref.

Vs Hull KR, Evans try disallowed by VR for offside when everyone and his mum (if from Bradford?) could see Halley was at worst level.

Vs Wigan. Nero try disallowed for Knock on by Tadulala even though he had to reach up to his shoulder to touch it as he was already passing the ball, and when he did he touched the leading edge of the ball making it physically impossible for him to impart any forward motion and therefore knock the ball on. By the Video ref again.

Phil Clarke will argue that [i"these things even themselves out over the course of a year" [/i. . . . I used to think he talk a bit of sense. Perhaps as a Bulls fan I'm blinkered to the other "side of the coin" and I'm being unfair in thinking Clarkey talks out of his rectum

. . . but life is unfair at times

We got one dodgy one this year - Hape at MM, long after it mattered. Thaat's [isort of[/i even.

You've also got the problem of video refs directing the man on the field through his earpiece which is supposed to be illegal.

Though TBH I think it's a problem with the general standard of officiating full stop and that comes from the Sod Hall down.

How can you have players given a lesser ban for an offence in Superleague (Hock grabbing hold of the ref) to a lesser offence in NL1 (Handforth mouthing off at the ref) to players given lifetime bans for catching the refs eye in BARLA.

The whole thing needs an overhaul with proper assessment and accountability for everyone including the executive.

and, IMHO, Scumming being held [iaccountable [/ifor what he's done.

How can ANYONE even attempt to try defend the indefensible that is Scummings.

People used to bleat on about Greg McCallum (sp?) but things were far more transparent / better run from a spectator point of view.

(I do seem to feel rather strongly about this, don't I. . . . .

I've no idea where all that's come from) I must be Graham Bradley and I claim my £5

McNamara moaning at ref's. What a surprise it must be a first [size=59at least for this week it is[/size.

No video decision should ever take five minutes. Sadly, it is slowing the game down, and sometimes I do wonder if these video refs are out to stop tries being scored.
The decision that really irritates me is the interpretation of obstruction, which was perfectly illustrated on 'Boots and All' the other week. The defending playr clearly had no intention of attempting to cover the opposing player and was deliderately looking for an obstruction decision which he got. All sides have had perfectly good tries ruled out by absurd obstruction decisions.

The thing what I will say, which is credit to McNamara's arguement is that nowadays, the video referees seem to looking to disallow the try, rather than find a reason to give it. This adds a total negative aspect to the game, and what good does this do the game if we're going to have this at EVERY match?

However, it is pleasing to hear Macca say he'll stop moaning about refs, as that is getting tiresome!

Well hopefully it won't happen due to the cost.. I doubt the RFL can force clubs to contribute and I am sure we have much better uses of 40K per club or whatever figure it is supposed to be.

I'd love to know what happened with McCallum!! I have to agree that whilst there were issues under him we had far more progression in the positive direction with him than with Cummings.

Have you seen any of the after match interfviews?
They go something like this usually.

Hack: So what did you think of the ref's decision to send Terry to the sin-bin/penalise Solomona/disallow Tadulala's try?
Steve: I didn't think it was right, we'll have to have another look at it on the video.

The headlines the next day are
REF WAS WRONG - MACCA

What is he supposed to do in interviews? Just say "no comment" to everything?

I think there's been more to it than that but I take your point. However I do think a "no comment" where refs are concerned would help him and peoples perception of him.

Better to keep this sort of thing in house IMO or if you must go off at a referee do it once a blue moon like Daniel Anderson.

Although I suppose it is easier to take the decisions when you haven't lost a game since April!

That's the point though. Winners are grinners.

Discussing the ref only takes attention away from the real reasons for losing the game. McNamara knows this too!

Match review commissioner in Oz . . . . . :

Indeed. As I have said for ages now.

I don't agree with getting rid of the video ref. I do, however, feel that it's used as a cop out by on field refs. Many times we've all see a try scored almost at the ref's feet yet he hands it on to the VR. Which in turn ignores the whole benifit of the doubt to the attacking side. If you think they've scored from what you've observed then they've scored. A cross field kick where theres a chance the scoring player may have gone into touch or failed to ground the ball then that's prime for a VR decision.

Refs should be encouraged to back their own calls

Jesus, could Steve McNamara possible stop whinging about bleedin officials, officials decisions, video refs etc etc.

Its all he friggin does.

You can be guarenteed that if a decision went against us and there was no video refin attendence he would be the first one to cry the sob story.


He's really starting to annoy me latley.

But everything he says is Justified in this last moan, so why should it annoy you?

Because he's a whinger, and fails to address his own teams problems despite constantly crying to the media about poor refs decisions.

If he got his players to play well, then there would be no need to have to whinge because chances are the decision wether a win or lose wouldnt fall to a ref decision.