think both on 1yr deals to prove themselfs think both will have option of another couple of years in there if they go well that the club can trigger if both play out of there skins

I was referring to PAV! (well done BullsChamps, I like this new nickname much better).

So I assume the original post you were quoting was referring to the fact both Hape and Withers were virtual unknowns but turned out to be good uns rather than Withers being a Kiwi (which he certainly isn't).

Pat the Van was mentioned in the T&A

I was referring to Withers and I must have misconstrued the post that was made. Just him going on about Kiwis was a tad confusing I guess.

Glad we sorted that one out cos I thought I was going mad!

Wasn't Withers a Dally M Junior player of the year? not bad for an unknown

Shirley Withers.
Mick's missus?