I've got to say that the muscle mass gained by some of these youngsters - often within a single close season - is pretty eye-popping. I mean, there are guys I know from the gym who hammered the weights for three or four years to achieve similar results. On the flipside, it's true to say that it's not all about pumping iron. Eating the correct foods in the correct proportions and generally looking after yourself will help enormously. The guys I know think nothing of a quick fag after training and then down to the boozer for six pints.

I think more serious questions are raised by the close season 'achievements' of certain players during the 80s and 90s. Regardless of club, we all know player X who finished a season looking like a wraith, only to start the next with the body and strength of Hercules. I don't care what those guys were eating - there's NO WAY you can bulk up to such an extent in three months. No way.

Quality

was talking to a mate last night about the hock situation and he seemed to think / heard on the grape vine, that the RL have a list of players who they are trying to catch. 2 players he mentioned on the list are pretty well known for being recreational drug users around my neck of the woods. maybe hock has been a example of in order to rattle these other players "on the list"

=redUnless you can prove this do not post it. tm - tl

Its just that Hock was unfortunate to be the unlucky one to get caught.

Diet and supplementation, together with large rest persiods due to no full time job and a strength conditioning coach ensure that this is the case. The players can bulk during the off-season, and then burn off the excess fat they have gained with high intensity training before the season starts. I doubt that the club would risk putting a player on a drug cycle, it wouldn't be worth the risk.

The odd player may dabble, but they usually get found out in the end.

hahahah fantastic, kick em whilst down pal, gerrum kicked.

wouldnt say he was unlucky. if he got tested after a game on a friday then he must have on it wednesday or thursday night. theres nothing unlucky about that!!

Just really dumb. If you're going to do it, do it after a match, not in the 2/3 days before. Not condoning it but if you decide to break the law at least try to make sure you dont get caught

I would suggest that the biggest factor you haven't taken into consideration is that these guys don't have to fit in their gym work around a full time job. They also all have a top end personal trainer and dieticion (sp) who will be monitoring them daily.

WHAT JUST LIKE your langtree did befor he even started

I'm talking about the days when players weren't fully pro.

If your going to post drivel at least have the drivel make sense.

He's referring to the junior player we fired earlier this year for being a beak head.

Made me laugh this news, a decent player when on form, but seems as thick as in common sense, sorry ive been late posting, internet has been down for two weeks.

It hasn't been the same without "Terry Travis Likes This" all over facebook

Missed you too.

Which is pitiful really, the poster seemingly viewing this thread on Hock's stupidity as a thinly veiled attack by Saints fans on his team and responding with a typical tit-for-less-than-tat comment.

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A sad day for our game.

Well he's gonna pay the price

Whats Karl Pryce being payed for

Hock deserves what he's got.

What should the RFL and the clubs do?

Pick a club and walk in there unannounced on a Monday morning and test every player.

Let the word get out that will do it again and again and again. Maybe the same club, maybe a different on, maybe a different day.

What happens if a player is caught in possession of cocaine by the police. He hasn't taken it but it's on his person.
Would he get banned?

Hock was stupid, let it be a warning to others.

House minder for his brother.

Thought he could have been his pimp

Totally agree