He'll have a good season then leave and we'll replace him with a foreign older fullback who last played halfback since u11's but just fancies a crack at it .... Oh wait

I think if he playing week in week out then the club will offer him two years but I think after the way gaskell was treated last season he probably look at is options

Let him go. Not going to be good enough. Wheeler is the far better prospect, unfortunately he has limbs made of shortbread.

We all have our opinions how u can say that is beyond me if wheeler was that good would been playing half back instead centre

Same could be said for gaskell and lance if gaskell was that good he would been playing 6 instead of lance

He's already contracted past the end of the year as is Makinson so I didn't bother pointlessly including them in a discussion that they aren't a part of. FWIW I have substantial doubts over Gaskell still (that some more gametime from a non-numpty coach last season might have gone some way to proving one way or another but never mind) and think Wheeler is a vastly better bet to be our longer term #6 if he gets his act together. But in the horribly talent-diminished future that SL is facing it's hard to see too many better halves than Gaskell potentially could be becoming available any time soon so we need to keep hold of him. So there.

Gaskell already has too many deficiencies to be top class. I have been watching Saints for over 30 years and maybe my standards are a little higher than many on here. I just don't see in him what others seem to see.

Thankfully yours is a minority view among both your fellow Saints fans and the rest of us. I've seen him play a fair bit. Gaskell is a quality player with a great kicking game and he made a really good partnership with Lomax when a regular in your team. The lad has a lot to offer and hopefully he'll get back on track and into the starting line-up with Nathan Brown in charge there now that Rush has gone. I'm sure at least one or two of the top sides would sign him in an instant if he became available.

So get you're coach to put an offer in then if he's that good.

Lets not get excited, he is a good player, but an international class half he isn't. Im not saying he never will be, but he's miles off it at the moment

I'd bloody love it if we could sign him! But not very likely right now.

Depending on who's available i'd like to see the older players move on/retire. Flanagan to stay. We should sort makinson a 5 year contract asap and cash in on Gaskell cause for some reason people still think he's a superstar.

Lots of teams have shown an interest for Gaskell, who wouldn't he was in the running for rookie of the year?
But there can be no firm offer or tapping up whilst he is under contract and Saints have told him from what I understand that they would not let him go anyway.

If Saints wanted to cash in on Gaskell there are plenty of clubs wanting a half back, Hull, Huddersfield, I think even Wigan at one point where having a look before smith went. Salford, Bradford there are more clubs needing halfbacks than there are available quality halfbacks.

Gaskell is an interesting one. He's a player I have always liked. From Wigan pov it would be interesting. We have two exceptional halfbacks in the U18/19 age group (Hampshire and Williams) who have both represented their country in various age groups. However they are probably three years away from 1st team level on a long term basis, and that's assuming that they progress as well as we hope (it may not happen)

So I would have Gaskell at Wigan because of his versatility, fullback, centre, stand off, and MAYBE even loose forward. I do think he is a player we should be looking at.

Maybe you should put this in your sig, it would save having to repeat it.

He is right, Wigan do have some good young half backs coming through. So him saying that he would not say no to Gaskell a pretty big compliment. Gaskell has a great general kicking game, distributes the ball better than any other player in the squad and can also kick goals. It is pretty hard to justify why he was not in the 13 no matter the 17 last year, even if you do not want him at 6 or 7.

I don't like to question other posters knowledge of the game but if you don't think Gaskell is any good I am struggling to find a another explanation (this is aimed at other poster not you Albion).

Amid all the hyperbole there are still big question marks over his decision making and he still needs to beef up a bit more, find a bit more consistency and improve his defence - moves died a lot when the ball went to him in 2011. He has potential to be a very good player but he's not there yet - he may have been by now if he'd have played at all and for a competent coach in a decent system last year but sadly we decided to pointlessly waste a year of his career instead.

There are question marks over his decision making this I fully accept, but I would argue that at least he makes a decision in a creative sense.

He may make a kick that was not correct, or choose to run rather than pass, but by god it was more of a threat than lets simply shift the ball.

I get he's not the finished article but I have to agree, we did him no favours by effectively shifting him out in favour of a ball shifter.

Would Gaskell bring a more creative dimension to our attack? Yes.
Would he give us a half decent kicking game? Yes.

These two alone justifiy his place in the starting line up, I would suggest at 7 rather than 6. He has a long way to go in his decision making, I remember quite a few times he held onto the ball when the better option was to pass but he's only young. I'll be surprised if he isn't in our starting line up next year.

So what you're saying is that we have to put up with mediocrity rather than seek out a genuine Stand-Off. He will never be good enough, END OF.

I think only Rush in the entire universe thought that playing Lance at #6 all last season instead of Gaskell was even remotely a good idea...



...what we're saying is that in a league where Smith and Myler are the best young halves around and where the biggest club in the game are having to make do with Green as their creative lynchpin for at least the next few seasons then a player like Gaskell is practically made of gold. Why do you think we continue to persevere with the forlorn hope that Wheeler will still come good? You may want to wait indefinitely for the next Long, Martyn, Goulding, Cooper, Ropati or Pryce to appear (they won't, trust me) but I'd rather we focused on signing the best players that are available to make the best team we can here and now if you don't mind.

Generally Gaskell's defenders say that his mistakes can be attributed to inexperience. Good players learn from those mistakes, poor players don't. I've yet to see a player consistently make the correct decisions in a ball playing role in his first or second full season, yet Gaskell's detractors expect him to do that.

Interestingly, the same expectation is not applied to Lomax who on numerous occasions last year made the wrong decision on a run or a pass, passed the ball poorly and put a hell of a lot of very poor kicks in.

He has the potential to make it as an excellent half back, he may not, but to say that he will never be good enough after a season when he was part of a very inexperienced half back partnership is very short sighted considering he has the technical ability.

Aren't you one of those who reckon we should still be playing Paul Wellens at fullback?

I would generally agree but for 1 detail, He never learned from a single mistake in the 2011 season and continually took the wrong option in attack. I could have accepted this as it was his first full season but he then proceeded to carry the same flaws into the the 2012 season and was quite rightly dropped from the team. Unfortunately our only other viable option was Lance.

Now you try to use the same argument with lomax but fail to realise that his game is based on running good lines and supporting play in a similar way to McGuire at Leeds. He isn't expected to do any ball handling because it is not his game. Leeds have an organising scrum half to do that job.

The main problem Saints have is the lack of an organising half back. Gaskell is not the answer because he is not reliable enough at super league level. I am actually on record as stating that he would make a good centre. I am not discounting him as a player, only as a half back.

Gaskell is good young player with loads of potential. My only concern with him, his decision making is poor at times and can prove costly.

I thought he was our most dangerous player on the last Grand final with ball in hand but took wrong option time and time again.

That might come in time or Brown might be able to coach it into him. I'd go with him at 6 to start next year.