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| Quote ="Ashmeister"Leon is a world class player and a world class bloke. Have you ever spoke to him ? His a lovely bloke. Him and Ryan Bailey read Bibles to each other on a night.'" Ok mate!! Put the crack pipe down and try and get some kip Ey!!
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"I'd agree with that tbh.
It's great to see Tomkins and Eastmond doing so well but they've masked how good that fooking ginger bas*ard was
I said the other day it's not the metres per carry thats impressive because in truth it's not that great but just the amount of carries he makes
He's like some scouse zombie that just keeps coming back to life! Wigan hit him, he went down, wigan man went back into the defensive line and turned round only to find the big ginger bloke running at him again!
Unbelievable engine!'"
Glad to see someone agrees. Off the pitch for about 10 mins.(if that) He's not bad at ball-playing either just to confuse the opposition.
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| Quote ="BringBackRugbyLeagueBiff"Ok, maybe the rules need changing?
He made a lot of yards through sliding mind!!'"
Just because you don't like a certain ? Give over. Ever heard of the phrase 'playing to the conditions'? Plenty of tries have been scored in the same manner.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"<SNIPPED>'"
On a seperate note, did you get to the game tonight or you out of disinfectant again?
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| Quote ="Duke Eddington"Glad to see someone agrees. Off the pitch for about 10 mins.(if that) He's not bad at ball-playing either just to confuse the opposition.'"
Hear hear. My MoM too. Great game yet again from the best British prop around.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"I wouldn't say its a surprise for the senior and most talented player on the pitch to take control. Pryce is truly world class and he was a clear MOM tonight. Compare with Tomkins and Leu Leu. Neither of them controlled anything either although you have to praise Tomkins' effort and danger in broken play.'"
I can read on no more, a 5 page thread and i am stumped on the fourth or fifth comment!
Do you seriously mean that.......did you watch the game?
You do realise Pryce played tonight and is not a player from the NRL?
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| Quote ="BringBackRugbyLeagueBiff"As a neutral, I will.
His 'momentum' didn't carry him over the line, he was tackled by Prescott (I think) at least a metre before the line and his elbow hit the deck and therefore the tackle was complete.
He then 'shimmied' using his other hand out of Prescott's grasp and went over the line = double movement.
Watch it again, if it wasn't for the conditions he would have stopped dead a metre from the line, elbow on deck handover.
He carried on moving after his elbow hit the grass.'"
I really shouldn't bite but momentum and a soaking wet pitch carried him over. If it's a continuous movement(which it was, so no stop/start) then it's try time. Hundreds of tries have been awarded due to the momentum of a player carrying him over as he slides. And guess what, hundreds more like it will follow in years to come. Get over yourself, it was never in doubt, always a try. His 'slide' never stopped until he was over the whitewash, end of story.
By the way you can't rule it out on the grounds that he wouldn't have scored on a dry track, utter drivel. Fact is, it was raining and that means you can slide from 10 metres out and score as long you don't stop moving.
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| Quote ="BringBackRugbyLeagueBiff"As a neutral, I will.
His 'momentum' didn't carry him over the line, he was tackled by Prescott (I think) at least a metre before the line and his elbow hit the deck and therefore the tackle was complete.
He then 'shimmied' using his other hand out of Prescott's grasp and went over the line = double movement.
Watch it again, if it wasn't for the conditions he would have stopped dead a metre from the line, elbow on deck handover.
He carried on moving after his elbow hit the grass.'"
and that is classed as momentum.
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| Kyle did well with the try last night, but he was (as said before in the thread) pretty anonymous last night for large parts of the game, and it really showed that his infield kicking needs alot of improving. But good things come to those who wait..!
Well in S
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| Quote =".Alice."Kyle did well with the try last night, but he was (as said before in the thread) pretty anonymous last night for large parts of the game, and it really showed that his infield kicking needs alot of improving. But good things come to those who wait..!
Well in S'"
I thought some of the kicks he put in were excellent it's just it wasnt consistent enough and too many times he was in the wrong position on the last which meant he was under too much pressure. Like you say though things like that come with experience, Wigan were in his face all night and he simply wont be used to the game at that kind of speed.
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| Quote ="Duke Eddington"Glad to see someone agrees. Off the pitch for about 10 mins.(if that) He's not bad at ball-playing either just to confuse the opposition.'"
jammers ball playing is very good idea that DA used a few times last year.
As we well know he is our only prop and teams started to single him out for 3 defenders to smash him.
So he draws 3 men in then gives the pass.
I think DA used it to good effect against Leeds in the playoff last year.
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| Quote ="No1 Saint"I thought some of the kicks he put in were excellent it's just it wasnt consistent enough and too many times he was in the wrong position on the last which meant he was under too much pressure. Like you say though things like that come with experience, Wigan were in his face all night and:2ra40k7y he simply wont be used to the game at that kind of speed.[/
Totally agree! Games like last night will make him a better player in the end.
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| Quote =".Alice."Quote ="No1 Saint"I thought some of the kicks he put in were excellent it's just it wasnt consistent enough and too many times he was in the wrong position on the last which meant he was under too much pressure. Like you say though things like that come with experience, Wigan were in his face all night and he simply wont be used to the game at that kind of speed.[/quote
Totally agree! Games like last night will make him a better player in the end.'" '"
yet he was only player who was going to win that game for us.
At only 20yrs of age I think he is very very important to us.
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| Quote ="BringBackRugbyLeagueBiff"As a neutral, I will.
His 'momentum' didn't carry him over the line, he was tackled by Prescott (I think) at least a metre before the line and his elbow hit the deck and therefore the tackle was complete.
He then 'shimmied' using his other hand out of Prescott's grasp and went over the line = double movement.
Watch it again, if it wasn't for the conditions he would have stopped dead a metre from the line, elbow on deck handover.
He carried on moving after his elbow hit the grass.'"
I thougt the tackle is only complete when forward momentum was halted. Kyle was obviously moving all the way through the slide.
Personnally, I don't see how his 'non ball carrying arm' being involved in pushing himself along is even in the mix.
If he had people hanging off him and used his legs to push himself over the line, no one would say a thing.
Good try. Simple as that.
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| his defence was good even that tackle on j. tomkins were he drove him into touch.
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| So do you really want to see players diving way before the line ala Union style in wet conditions?
10m out in dry conditions and diving does not ensure you hit the line ashmeister.
That is a ridiculous statement you have made.
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| Quote ="BringBackRugbyLeagueBiff"10m out in dry conditions and diving does not ensure you hit the line ashmeister.'"
But it often does when the conditions are wet, as they were last night, and although Kyle did indeed propel himself, it was in one continuous movement which simply fed into the momentum already established by the wet conditions and the impact of the defenders. He wouldn't have scored that try in the dry, at least not without obvious double movement! But it wasn't dry, it was wet. So it was scored and given.
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| I think at times especially without the experience of Longy we look rudderless at times and lack a creative spark. Leon is more of an off the cuff rugby player that does drift in and out of the game on occassions.
IMO I would love to Eastmond partnering Longy at Half back with Leon at loose forward. That trio would be mouth watering in the play off series coupled with KC and Roby at hooker.
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| Quote ="St pete"
At only 20yrs of age I think he is very very important to us.'"
State the obvious.
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| Quote ="BringBackRugbyLeagueBiff"Ok, maybe the rules need changing?
He made a lot of yards through sliding mind!!'"
How would you like the rules to change? If you slide over the line because its been raining all day, you have to release the ball and do a handstand? If its only been raining for half an hour you get sent off? You play to the conditions, end of.
Eastmond didn't stop because it had been pouring down all day, half of his body ended up over the line. If hes strong enough to drag himself that far with one hand and a prop on his back without stopping, I want to have a bit of whatever he's taking.
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| I thought that we lacked creativity and organisation on many occasions, and Eastmond was one of the only players that looked like he could break the line for us, making a half break on a few occasions. We also took an awful lot of wrong options, that needs to be worked on.
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| When is Eastmonds contract up?
We watched the last 20 minutes of the game in the Sports bar at belle view dog track last night.
After the game ended a lady came across to the four of us (3 Wigan fans and 1 Saints fan) to talk to us about Kyle Eastmond.
She was from the Oldham area (her dog had just won one of the races) and had family connections with Kyles junior coach .
She said that Eastmond has had a big offer from Rugby Union and will move next year. I presume that is at the end of the 2010 season, I should have asked.
It will be a sad loss to our game if true.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"When is Eastmonds contract up?
We watched the last 20 minutes of the game in the Sports bar at belle view dog track last night.
After the game ended a lady came across to the four of us (3 Wigan fans and 1 Saints fan) to talk to us about Kyle Eastmond.
She was from the Oldham area (her dog had just won one of the races) and had family connections with Kyles junior coach .
She said that Eastmond has had a big offer from Rugby Union and will move next year. I presume that is at the end of the 2010 season, I should have asked.
It will be a sad loss to our game if true.'" He hasn't signed a new contract recently, like wheeler etc. so there may be some merit in it, As you say big loss if true, saints seem to have quite a few half backs coming through at the moment so with any luck one can fill another void.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"When is Eastmonds contract up?
We watched the last 20 minutes of the game in the Sports bar at belle view dog track last night.
After the game ended a lady came across to the four of us (3 Wigan fans and 1 Saints fan) to talk to us about Kyle Eastmond.
She was from the Oldham area (her dog had just won one of the races) and had family connections with Kyles junior coach .
She said that Eastmond has had a big offer from Rugby Union and will move next year. I presume that is at the end of the 2010 season, I should have asked.
It will be a sad loss to our game if true.'"
Sale are after him.
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