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| What a brilliant performance from Jon Wilkin tonight. Great lines, great leadership and great kicking.
Think his priorities were on the field tonight
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| Quote ="bewareshadows"Surely Millwards downfall was swearing at the Warrington press officer. In the end it was the thin end of a wedge that had built over time. Read Scully's book, he told him to his face that he did not like the way he treated some of our kids.
Millwards is the most successful Saints coach, I also think sacking him when we did was a mistake. For me if the club had just quitely built a case with no suspension, then I think we would have got at least one more trophy that year. We where top of the league, in the semi of the cup and going great. I'm not against the sacking, just the timing. No-one not even our best ever coach is above the club or the chairman.
But Millward was certainly not sacked for results, unless you can be sacked for having results that were too good.'"
You cannot put off sacking somebody because the timing is not right, and I dont think you can just sack a coach for non-results related matters you must first suspend.
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| Well, he certainly had his priorities straight tonight. Excellent performance. Let's hope this kick starts his season.
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| Quote ="Sthelens RLFC"What a brilliant performance from Jon Wilkin tonight. Great lines, great leadership and great kicking.
Think his priorities were on the field tonight
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Great lines The usual reference to wilkin
Being serious tho, he had pretty good game tonight and worked hard.
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| Quote ="St pete"Being serious tho, he had pretty good game tonight and worked hard.'"
Makes a feckin change.
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| Quote ="bewareshadows"Millwards is the most successful Saints coach, I also think sacking him when we did was a mistake.'"
Millward coached Saints between 2000 - 2005 and won 2 SL titles, 2 Challenge Cups and 1 WCC.
Anderson coached Saints 2005 - 2008 and won 1 SL title, 3 Challenge Cups, 1 WCC and 4 League Leaders shields.
Anderson won more silverware in a shorter period so surely that makes him our most successful coach and proves the sacking of Millward was correct??
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| Quote ="wakey_saint"Millward was correct??'" But as we've said, Millward's sacking was because of [ioff the field[/i issues. Verbal abuse of a member of the press was the final straw, I guess it went down as gross misconduct, as there was no suspension period (from what I recall).
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| Quote ="wakey_saint"Millward coached Saints between 2000 - 2005 and won 2 SL titles, 2 Challenge Cups and 1 WCC.
Anderson coached Saints 2005 - 2008 and won 1 SL title, 3 Challenge Cups, 1 WCC and 4 League Leaders shields.
Anderson won more silverware in a shorter period so surely that makes him our most successful coach and proves the sacking of Millward was correct??'"
I did not argue that the sacking was wrong, but the timing really disrupted our season, hence knocking off another possible GF and CC from the clubs records. Also Millward could not win anything in 2005 he was sacked.
When counting league leaders shields Millward had 1 and a half. Anderson 3 and half. 2005 split.
We can all bend stats to suit our own agenda, but I'd argue that Millward was more successful, but its the difference between very successful and very successful.
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| Although Millward was a very successful coach, and his stewardship has left me with some of my greatest sporting memories, I think his time was starting to come to an end by the time he left.
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| Another massive performance from Wilkin in the post Royce regime. Obviously back in his best role and having a massive influence. Nice to see Rushy name him as one of the senior players who is looking after the young lads as well.
Mugwump? SaintsFan?
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| Quote ="Sthelens RLFC"Another massive performance from Wilkin in the post Royce regime. Obviously back in his best role and having a massive influence. Nice to see Rushy name him as one of the senior players who is looking after the young lads as well.
Mugwump? SaintsFan?'"
I was impressed with wilkin last night.
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| Quote ="Sthelens RLFC"Another massive performance from Wilkin in the post Royce regime. Obviously back in his best role and having a massive influence. Nice to see Rushy name him as one of the senior players who is looking after the young lads as well.
Mugwump? SaintsFan?'"
Wilkin put in loads of massive performances last season too - said many times on here - and that's why his early season bad attitude was noticeable.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"Wilkin put in loads of massive performances last season too - said many times on here - and that's why his early season bad attitude was noticeable.'"
I agree and went as far to say that wilkin was the best backrow in super league last year.
Wilkin suites the little plays around the rucks with the little short passes and off loads as he's good good hands.
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| Quote ="St pete"Wilkin suites the little plays around the rucks with the little short passes and off loads as he's good good hands.'"
Yep. He and Roby had that going well at times last season. Remember the first playoff against Wigan? Some of the stuff we played in that game alone was great to watch. We pulled Wigan all over the place.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"Wilkin put in loads of massive performances last season too - said many times on here - and that's why his early season bad attitude was noticeable.'"
Being asked to play a different role doesn't = bad attitude.
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| Quote ="Sthelens RLFC"Being asked to play a different role doesn't = bad attitude.
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He has played at loose and second row throughout his career with Saints. Royce played him at both. He covers at 6 too when we are pushed and did so with great effect last season when we had no halfbacks left through injury.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"Yep. He and Roby had that going well at times last season. Remember the first playoff against Wigan? Some of the stuff we played in that game alone was great to watch. We pulled Wigan all over the place.'"
It's hard to describe in here what I mean but he's at his best when he's doing them little offloads or receiving off loads close to the ruck like he used to do.
Roby, wilkin often provide these little link ups with wello finishing them off.
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| I must've been on my own in thinking he wasn't having that bad a season anyway but he's definitely been more involved with our creative side and kicking game in the last two weeks.
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| Quote ="Blobbynator"I must've been on my own in thinking he wasn't having that bad a season anyway but he's definitely been more involved with our creative side and kicking game in the last two weeks.'"
Nope, me too. Couldn't believe he was getting stick after the Bulls game.
He's been amongst our best this year IMO, even when we were struggling.
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| He should be banned from any kicking
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| Quote ="Donkey OTay"He should be banned from any kicking'"
Most of our kicking was pretty bad last night. Lance came up with some shockers with one charged down and another out on the full.
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| Quote ="Blobbynator"I must've been on my own in thinking he wasn't having that bad a season anyway but he's definitely been more involved with our creative side and kicking game in the last two weeks.'"
Quote ="FearTheVee"Nope, me too. Couldn't believe he was getting stick after the Bulls game.
He's been amongst our best this year IMO, even when we were struggling.'"
Stop talking sense.
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| Is it just me that notices him start games well but as time progresses he starts to give penalties away and make poor choices? May just be fatigue therefore perhaps he needs spelling more often than has happened in the past.
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| Quote ="Blobbynator"I must've been on my own in thinking he wasn't having that bad a season anyway but he's definitely been more involved with our creative side and kicking game in the last two weeks.'"
So, you're [inot[/i agreeing with the initial point - but you [iare[/i agreeing with it.
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| Quote ="Mugwump"So, you're [inot[/i agreeing with the initial point - but you [iare[/i agreeing with it.
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I'm not sure what you're reading into there.
Wilkin was playing well beforehand but his role has just been tweaked slightly in the last two weeks. His workrate was impressive early in the season, he always seemed to be in our top 3 tacklers and yard makers. Now, he's playing a similar role but more centrally from the loose position rather than in the back row on the left edge, often probiing for gaps around the ruck.
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