Similar to James Graham right now ?

Yet one could do really well in the NRL and one could go okay ?

Hmmmm, the difference ? One plays for St Helens.

No Stuart Fielden and James Graham are completely different types of Prop Forward as i posted earlier, and no i wouldn't say similar to what James Graham is now
Why does one playing for St Helens make the difference?, I have already mentioned i consider Matt Gidley the best Centre in Super League and i rate Jon Wilkin highly also Fielden was playing for Bradford Bulls you know the main local rivals of Leeds Rhinos...

its probably been said already, but wasnt graham voted as the best prop in the world by the oz press last year?

Truly, truly an example of the drugs not working.

I agree, one is exceptional at his job making more metres on a consistent basis than anybody else. One is as fragile as a feather and generally does nothing except embarrass himself everytime he takes the field.

Even Fielden at his pomp, I'd like to see the stats comparison to see how they compare. My guess would be that Graham would still be ahead but without the nonsense fist cocking everytime hit hard.

www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2009 I think thats how to post a link? They do seem to be different type of prop. Graham makes alot more meters and carries from less games. Fielden makes a massive amount of tackle busts and clean breaks, but his error count/missed tackles is quite big as well. I'd still pick Jammer

www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2009 I think thats how to post a link? They do seem to be different type of prop. Graham makes alot more meters and carries from less games. Fielden makes a massive amount of tackle busts and clean breaks, but his error count/missed tackles is quite big as well. I'd still pick Jammer

There we have it.

Stuart Fielden at his very best made less metres, less carries, less tackles, more errors and more missed tackles.

Yet this guy could go really well in the NRL yet Graham not as good ?

Okkkkaaayyyyy........

Whilst I think its pretty obvious Jammer is one of our players that could go well down under, have a closer look at Fielden's stats - he's got an average metre per carry of 8.3, which is huge. Add that to his higher number of offloads he (in 2004) is/was obviously the more high impact of the two.

However, considering people say playing 80 minutes a week burnt him out, his work rate is unimpressive compared to Jammer's. He also missed a lot more tackles.

I don't think there is any doubting the impact Fielden used to make, he used to change the game consistently for the Bulls. However his stats don't lie. On a consistent basis he made less metres and less carries combined with less tackling and more missed tackles.

Consistency is the key for me here although it matters not. Fieldens game has seen his be a shadow of what he was when he should really be peaking right now, he is a complete enigma in the game. Funnily enough, I think a spell in the NRL right now could be perfect for Fielden. Sharpen up his appetite for the game, lay some demons to rest and regain his undoubted talent.

Just show that Feilden wasn't that great (possibly a bit harsh) this is him of 2004 vs Peacock last year as i see them as the same type of prop. www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2009 Peacock better in nearly every department

Just show that Feilden wasn't that great (possibly a bit harsh) this is him of 2004 vs Peacock last year as i see them as the same type of prop. www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2009 Peacock better in nearly every department

But he shows up quite well in [url=http://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics_player.php?hs1=2003&hp1=260&hs2=2004&hp2=29&stat=tries&season=2009this comparison[/url with his old pal.

Since we're comapring "similar types of props", thought [url=http://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics_player.php?hs1=2008&hp1=1885&hs2=2003&hp2=558&stat=tries&season=2009this[/url would be an interesting comaprison for Jammer. F*ck me, terry was a good prop - look at those yards per carry (doesn't look like he had to do as many minutes, mind).

Terry was alright but 43 missed tackles? Its no good having great attacking game if you cant tackle. (penny anyone)

O'Connor was a good player. It shows again how brilliant Graham is, his workload is amazing. O'Connor's metre per carry is impressive, but warped by the fact that he didn't do as much work as Jammer, which always makes it easier.

Fielden would stand no chance in the NRL. In the NRL the other props, like Price, Moimoi are a lot bigger compared to him.

That's not a bad stat. Only two a match which is not bad for a prop who is putting himself about a lot. It just so happens that Jammers tackle success percentage is outstanding.

So you finally agree i am right Stuart Fielden and James Graham are two different types of Prop Forward and therefore cannot really be compared with each other to an extent...

If Terry was a good prop, then Jammer is world class, he's outplayed O'Connor in almost every stat.

The stats seem to confirm this

At least we got there in the end...

Who's better, a prop that makes 500 carries for 3000m or one that make 250 carries for 2000m?

Jammer's high number of carries are somewhat forced upon him due to him normally being our only fully fit prop and playing longer minutes than other props, something that's not particulary indicitive of their ability.
Graham does have a huge work rate anyway, which is displayed when your regulary see him chase back to cover breaks and covering kicks through - that's not covered in stats.

Don't just look at the stats and say - he's better cause those numbers are higher and these are lower.

graham is still better.

Yes i totally agree...

2 can play that game

Well mate you said but i'm not sure it'll ever happen!...