They scored a drop goal, so no, goal kicking wasn't the difference! (And they also kicked a penalty didn't they?)

IMO the difference was the discipline and the lacklustre behaviour of our senior players, bar Wello who even though he is a donkey was the one player following up on the wonderful Jones/Percival play which secured our final try.

As in 2011, our young players are doing us proud. However, unlike 2011 we don't have Jammer kicking the senior players up the backside, and that is the bit which is killing us, not the fact that we are missing players. With youngsters like Jones and Percival who both consistently make breaks, even against the big teams, the focus has to be on those letting the side down: players like Wilkin (getting banned) and LMS (giving away endless penalties and going into hiding going forward).

And then there also has to be a question mark over Brown because our discipline overall is shocking and clearly he isn't addressing it.

After getting over my initial despair and frustration. As weird as it sounds today wasn't so bad. We dominated the second half , and it was just lack of some magic from the halves that was missing. I am convinced that Lomax would have won that for us on his own. Onwards and upwards

He should have been in the second row and we should have been exploiting his offload game, which is what he had a reputation for in the NRL.

Sadly your right and being camped on the opposition line huffing and puffing is exactly what you get with no proper halfbacks

He's average at best , we could recruit average from the championship if needed for a fraction of what he'll be costing us

That line you quoted was not meant to be taken as a statement by itself, but in the context of the whole post. My post was that we're essentially losing every week now and while there are some valid reasons why we're struglling, even when chances appear for us to scrape the win, such as being 10-0 up, the coin is still failing to land Saints side up. We can only look on the bright side for so long.

Prat!

I'm right.

Apart from the McManus leaving bit I'm not sure what he's got wrong.

From an outsiders point of view I think he is right apart from McManus.
Is McManus the new Wellens for the Sad One

I agree with you he's exactly right.

NO HALFBACKS = NOBODY TO DICTATE AND CONTROL THE PLAY

If McManus leaves we don't have a club. He is a wind up merchant who I have been unable to take seriously, EVER.

I was chatting on Twitter to a friend of a friend, who happens to be a Broncos fan. I asked him if anyone had impressed him today from our team:

"No one really stood out apart from Hohaia, who looked a class act. Walmsley has impressed me previously. LMS was sh*te"

Maybe they'd swap him for Gower

That new contract for LMS is looking better VFM after each and every game lately.

I'd love to have a conversation with whoever makes these decisions on contracts and hear them try and justify giving that clown a new deal.

Some of the decisions lately completely baffle me.

Did we lose another player today, was somebody carried off the pitch.

Swift

We could have played Forster today, a prop with at least some Super League experience, but no Saints decide to give a debut to one of our youngest props and pack Forster off to Rochdale.

How did Thompson play?

Considering Thompson reportedly played well, I don't see your point.

The most disappointing thing about yesterday for me was the amount of errors, and we are talking about basic mistakes that shouldn't be being made. Once again, we picked up three injuries - a couple early on, and that took it's toll towards the end. I haven't read all the posts on this thread, and I'm not going to, but people seem to forget just how bad the injury situation at the minute. What I will say is that we are conceding the same stupid penalties week after week after week, and although you can't fault the effort and application, you can't expect to win games on the back of the indiscipline we have been showing.

London aren't a good side, but they have a set of forwards who work hard and run even harder, and Craig Gower had a field day on the back of that. We looked absolutely clueless on the occasions we found ourselves in decent position, and once again, the lack of a Half Back was evident. Lance Hohaia needed a huge game yesterday if we were going to pick anything up, and once again, he didn't deliver. As I say, you can't fault the effort, but we needed the senior players to stand up yesterday, and unfortunatly for us, they didn't. As I say, we lost three players once again to injury, and although it's good to see so many young players out there, we have far to many out there at the minute.

On the plus side, Sia Soliola and Paul Wellens were immense in my opinion, but you can't expect to win games without a decent set of Props and Half Backs. People can say what they want about Wellens, but he has really stood up this season for me, and leads by example every time he pulls on a pair of boots. I am not saying he deserves a knew contract, because he doesn't, but if the likes of Hohaia and TP gave half as much as Wellens does, we would be in a difffent position that we are in. A club legend, and rightly so.

Don't you think that the club would go out and get a HB if they could? It's obvious what the problem is.

That suggests one thing in terms of the cap IMO.

Yesterday was bad, I was glad to have made a day of it!

No.