Leaving backup man out of this discussion, you've got to be kidding me about the other three. Harris and Davies best positions were full back and centre. McGuire? Well let's just not embarrass the poor lad by discussing him in the same sentence as Tommy God. For a guy that, like the rest of the Wigooners, continually harps on about a deterioration in skill levels you don't half seem blind to the natural talent Tommy God had. I would never suggest he's the world's greatest but he is the most naturally talented stand off this country has produced since Tony Myler. The only other player who could say the same was Nigel Wright. Don't tell me that Nigel Wright wasn't more talented than most because I know that even you won't deny that, primarily because he signed for Wigoon and we know you will defend those players to the core.



Because Hanley had no idea what he was doing. Tommy God won the players' player in the season that Hanley left.



I don't know. Who did play Tommy God off the park, at home, in an emotional final game at Central Park? Who scored a hat trick of tries in a virtuoso performance, at the JJB after you were leading 16-0 after quarter of an hour, against the best Wigoon side there's ever been in Super League?



Sean Long outplayed Lockyer in Sydney, so what?

Even Paul Cullen has had success coaching in the lower levels of British rugby, which is exactly where Edwards is now. If he wanted a real challenge he'd take up the reins at Wigoon. He doesn't. He wants a job where his minute RL knowledge contributes significantly to his success. He'd flop in league as I've said a million times before and I would like nothing better than to see him steer yourselves in circles around the same sea of mediocrity you've been in since Raper left.

It ought not be difficult to pick up a barrow full of medals captaining a team that cherry-picked most of the best players in the league (bankrupting itself in the process) and putting them on full-time contracts in a semi-pro league. They might as well have given him the medals before a ball was kicked.



All coaches (perhaps excluding Bennett) have a sell-by date. John Monie broke all manner of records coaching Wigan - where is he today? I mean, what point are you struggling to make?



Why isn't Martin Offiah coaching, or countless other talented players who don't coach a lick?



Respected by whom? Rugger buggers? What's he achieved coaching in SL? Nothing. Maybe he should become an assistant to somebody half-decent so his life-time theme of riding on the backs of his betters can be sustained.

I cant believe how many times Rogues has bitten in this thread

You always seem to put across a good argument based on facts not opinion.
i don't know if you remember when the pie eaters were calling for Edwards head for nigh on 2 seasons. Yes the greatlt honoured well respected Sean Edwards was batterred week in week out by them , on GMR & any other medium that was prepared to listen.
Don't remember too many Saints fans calling for Tommy's head .

I don't remember that happening, and even if it did what has that to do with the comparison between a Rugby League legend in Edwards and a journeyman in Martyn.

Did different coaches pick Edwards for Great Britain?
Did different coaches reject Martyn for Great Britain?

In 50 or more years which one do you think will be remembered?

What it shows is that Martyn was a good player, Edwards was a great player.

Those grapes are so sour.



He was despised by Wiganers because he was the scourge of them. Had some blinders against the pies.

You just can't admit how good he was even now after years out of the game.

How about his blind pass to Peter Shiels against the Goons in another derby I think.

You make no reference to his fantastic rugby brain and kicking game as well, you are a bitter and twisted troll sir.

The was nothing wrong with tommys defence. He defended just as good as any halfback if not better.

His rugby brain made up for his lack of pace and you knew he would always try something different when needed.

No matter what rogues says tommy was utter pure class who missed many GB games as he had a knack of getting injured when GB played.

Let's not forget that tommy was a regular for his country.

He was so good his club coach wanted rid of him
He was so good the Engalnd and GB coaches didn't want him.

But he was too good for the coaches or he was always injured.

In best Alan Sugar mode.

"You're fired"

He was a good club journeyman, no more no less.

Another Parry Gordon.

Blah, blah, GB caps....

Blah, blah Journeyman...

Change the record. In this case GB caps has nowt to do with it.

Just admit you hate him as he was the scourge of the Goons!

In 50yrs time Tommy will be remembered as a Saints legend whereas Edwards wiil be remembered as a Union coach nothing to do with Wigan.

My friend, the fact that you don't remember Iro and Shelford playing in the same side as Edwards and Gregory in 1987 (remember, you where World Champions?) not only astounds me but also loses any respect I previously may have had for your posts.

PS for your perusal I've added an '87 game onto You tube for you - take a look - you might learn something.

Edwards and Gregory??????

Maybe Saint Simon didn't see them .......

Gregory was one the best players i've seen

I stand corrected. They were in our 1989 Wembley winning team.

What about the others I mentioned? And still Iro and Shelford were not big name signings at the time. Were they?

Iro certainly was, he was the biggest thing to come from NZ for years as I recall.

I was talking to a female saints fan a few weeks ago and it caused this stir of a thread on Southstander - viewtopic.php?t=410350&start=0 Anyways we both agreed that Tommy Martyn was our favourite saints player to play for you during the summer era. I was rather disappointed when he left to go a division below as a rugby league fan but not as a rhinos fan!

I was talking to a female saints fan a few weeks ago and it caused this stir of a thread on Southstander - viewtopic.php?t=410350&start=0 Anyways we both agreed that Tommy Martyn was our favourite saints player to play for you during the summer era. I was rather disappointed when he left to go a division below as a rugby league fan but not as a rhinos fan!

As a 19 year old amateur? Get real.

He was a massive signing for you as he had already proved himself with Wigan, Leeds and internationally. He was an unproven bit of a kid with lots of potential when we signed him.

Tommy was a GOD. I love the guy. An indivdiual in many ways - like a Ginloa or Cantona or Di Canio of RL. However, he was hampered by injury and some inconsistency in how he played. But thankfully IM rescued him from Hanley's mishandling the the rest is history.

However, as a half-back pairing, I would argue that the 2006 edition Pryce and Long is more destructive and a better all round combination and the best I've seen at Saints. That side was unstoppable (losing 4 games in a year by 4/3/2/1 pts) and the half-backs (to be fair on the back of an awesome pack) were clinical.

I like your avatar, quite apt as were set to revisit that very place this weekend.

I am wetting myself at how stupid Rogues is looking in this post. Truth is, he tries to disguise his Wigan bias in a number of ways that Alistair Campbell would relish, but the crap always rises to the top.

Particularly humour-some is the 'well, his club coach wanted rid of him'.... Ahem, was this the same coach who wanted to replace Keiron Cunningham with Richard Pachniuk?

I know it is churlish to mention that this same coach also wanted to bring such big hitters as Martin Moana to KR, but excuse me for digressing.

Tommy Martyn had the gifts that is so lacking in our modern day half backs. That RG mentions Danny the crab, and 10 minute Harris in the same catagory of Harris is astounding.

And yet, I suppose this is what comes of dilligently subscribing to the prevailing Noble-esque philosophy of 5 drives and a kick.

Something that will come naturally to old cherry and white eyes over the lump who can never bring himself to utter the herecy that his magical Wigan team have long been on the wane, and the Red Vee - where Martyn was especially instrumental - has eclipsed them in SL.

Hanley was doign an "agent millward" and trying to destroy us, but our club didnt allow it to happen unliek the pies.

Agent Millward>Agent Hanley

But, but, but, but ... You'll ruin RG's argument!

Just like the one about 'what are all the coaches doing now who [ipicked him[/i??'

I like thinking about the long and distinctive careers of all the coaches who [idid'nt[/i pick him...

The career of supercoach Andy Goodway - he of Burleigh Bears fame lest we forget.

And, of course that Great Tigers motivator, Ellery Hanley, a man so shrouded in mystery he makes Howard Hughes look positively gregarious.