To be quiet honest I am happy with the pack we have now and there is no need to go overseas in that department. The backs is another matter mind and if a quality left centre became available I can see this could restrict us from signing him. However so far I am really happy with the signings for 2012 and its only slightly eased the pain of losing Kyle Eastmond and more importantly James Graham. I dont believe we should offer Chris Flannery a new contract because I believe there are better English Back Row Forwards that can become available. Flannery has done a job for us and thats about it really.

I thought Laffranchi was coming over on an Italian passport, if he is he won`t count on any quotas.

If he's an Italian citizen then it would be illegal to count him on any quotas I would think.

I think this amply demonstrates that....nobody actually knows. It's the most ludicrous set of 'rules' in any sport, surely.

Laffranchi doesn't count on the old style, nationality based quota. He does count on the new non-fed system, which is based not on your nationality but on where you learned your trade, and was brought in precisely to get round the problem of overseas players getting in on an EU or Kolpak passport.


It's as I've outlined above, trust me. It's hopelessly complicated at the moment, but only because the RFL have had to grant exemptions to a host of players at the outset in order to cover their backs legally. Once those exemptions run out it should work fine and be a straightforward case of 5 overseas trained players, and that's it.

So can we still sign waterhouse or hayne

?

Just a simple yes or no will do.

The answer is no

The orginal poster omitted Puletua from the quota list

If the current players are re-contracted the 5 in each group would be

Quota Non-Fed
Puletua Puletua
Soliola Soliola
Perry Perry
Hoihia Hoihia
Flannery Laffranchi


Meli is Kolpak and Federation Trained (dispensated)

If Flannery wasn't re-contracted a Quota could be brought in but he would need to be a Federation Trained player (likely with a dispensation like for instance Glenn Morrison). Any Kolpak player would also need to be Federation Trained (example Solomona)

Sorry the space between both columns has disappeared

So it looks more like saints was after either laffranchi or waterhouse and not both or waterhouse was a fall back if TP didn't sign.

Seems strange tho that saints said laffranchi wasn't counted as a overseas player.

If true that flannery is exempt and we can resign him then if we've got the cap space then I'd keep him.

St Pete

What they did say was that Laffranchi would not count on the Quota (overseas quota) as he was an Italian passport holder.

However he does count as a Non-Federated Trained player.

You are right that the mention of Waterhouse was dependant on Puletua not being resigned.

Puletua has a Samoan passport so is non-quota but he is still on the non fed list as he only signed in 2009.

I do think we are full up though. Unless there is something odd about Laffranchi's deal of which we are unaware of. We'll see over the next few weeks, Andy Wilson last night thought that both deals were still on (TP and Trent) but he might not have thought about our quota when he said it.

Quote ="markjohn"St Pete What they did say was that Laffranchi would not count on the Quota (overseas quota) as he was an Italian passport holder. However he does count as a Non-Federated Trained player. You are right that the mention of Waterhouse was dependant on Puletua not being resigned.'" www.saintsrlfc.com/news/page/809 It's says he's off quota. Take that as you please.

Quote ="markjohn"St Pete What they did say was that Laffranchi would not count on the Quota (overseas quota) as he was an Italian passport holder. However he does count as a Non-Federated Trained player. You are right that the mention of Waterhouse was dependant on Puletua not being resigned.'" www.saintsrlfc.com/news/page/809 It's says he's off quota. Take that as you please.

he is, but he's non fed trained

Simon, stop spoiling it for me!



I like waterhouse, he's good player and have always liked him. Was over the moon when heard we'd signed him but looks like it was all $hit!

Saint Chris

I think you will find he is registered as a Quota player at Saints, Don't confuse playing for a country with holding a passport for that country.

If he does hold or obtains a Samoan passport he could be taken off quota, though it would make little difference as he would remain a Non-Federation Trained player, less a Quota player with a dispensation of Federation Trained was signed (example Glenn Morrison).

So basically Flannery has gone either way.

Soliola,
Puletua
Perry
Lance
Leufuefef . lol

How can TP count towards the quota when he holds the passport of a Kolpak country? Nationals of Kolpak countries are excluded from the quota.

great news

It seems that nobody really knows the true rules of the overseas rulings.

I'm not certain whether TP holds a Samoan passport (I'd been led to believe he does), and I don't know the exact date in 2008 before which overseas players had to already be in SL to get an exemption from non-fed status, but the rules themselves are as I've described them here and in the rumours thread.

Rumour is Flannery is off to Widnes for 2012.

Good move for both parties IMO

Because it's no longer about quota's.

Simply this year and next you are allowed 5 players that are non-federation trained. not in addition but just five non federation players Max.

The only excemptions are those players who where under contract playing in the UK before the new rule, hence meli.


However having said all of the above , I conveniently forgot that Flannery is pre federation, so we can actually keep him, until he retires or we want rid. My bad.

I shall go to the back of the class now.


Doh!!!

Players that were in the European game pre February 2008 may apply for a dispensation.

I should image that most of them entitled to this have already done so.

im happy with that he'll be a good player for us