Well, of course. Everybody knows that the disciplinary committee are infallible.

The disciplinary will be unable to draw any conclusions based on the video just like any other objective person. What it boils down to is whether Wellens has any evidence to back up his claim. He he does then MM will be charged and deservedly banned. If he doesn't then he won't.

Just watched the incident, and I think he has bitten Wello. It's the kind of behaviour you expect from McIlorum these days unfortunately, hopefully a long ban is on it's way! For the Wigan fans questioning Wellens' professionalism, throwing the odd paddy is hardly comparable to biting another player. Wellens isn't really going to make up that he's been bitten, and the pictures show that he was.

Whilst that is true, I think we all know he bit him. Unfortunately, just like kicking him whilst on the floor at the dw, the cameras won't be conclusive.

Question for the Wigan fans - do they REALLY think someone like Paul Wellens would say a fellow pro bit him if they didn't?

I can't speak for others but No I don't. I think that at the time Wellens thought he was. Wellness was however pushing his arm into MM's face, effectively into his mouth. From the video There was no obvious biting action from MM. If he did indeed 'clamp down' I'm sure he would have left a mark for the ref to see and include in his report.

It is also very possible that Wellens felt MM's teeth as he was shoving his arm into his mouth and therefore felt as though he was bitten even though he wasn't. I can understand most St Helens fans thinking that would be nonsense, particularly as people love to hate MM but it is feasible.

As I said before I honestly can't draw any conclusion from the evidence and will wait for the disciplinary rather than making the conclusion that I would prefer.

Wellens sticks his arm into MM's face/mouth. When he gets up he reacts as though he thinks he has been bitten but then immediately gets on with the game. Now if he really thought that he had been bitten then winging Wello would have been straight in the refs face complaining. He didn't which indicates to me that this is all a storm in a tea cup.

He did complain to the ref

Very briefly. He whinges at the ref all the time over nothing. I am pretty sure that he would have kicked off big style if he had been genuinely bitten.

so he complained, but not enough for you?

As I say he always whinges at the ref. Nothing in it for me.

Not when he's required to play the ball. Of course why let your bias for defending MM and dislike of wellens get in the way of logic.

He complained, it's gotten raised at a later date and is now getting looked at in further - but because he didn't take a swing at mm and give a penalty away it isn't of happened?

Wello wouldn't lie or claim it was a bite if he didn't think it. Wello is as honest as they come.

I agree with this completely.

I don't think wello would make the allegation if he didn't think he took a bite but it's also possible that wello mistaken it for a bite as he's pulsing his forearm in to MM face/mouth.

I don't have a bias for MM or a dislike for Wellens but I am applying logic. Has Wellens actually put in a formal complaint? Who is actually looking at it other than Saints fans desperately trying to find reasons for the defeat?

I would put good money in there being no quote in this thread about mm biting wellens being the reason we lost. There are plenty of reasons, in plenty of other threads, but it don't think anyone's suggesting it lost us the game!

That however, doesn't excuse any player biting in whatever circumstance it happens to be. This isn't a straw clutch, it's a desire to see foul play punished. Tbh knowing this board as I do, there'd be an equally long thread, saying pretty much the same thing if it were the other way around.

We have no idea whether an official complaint was made until Tuesday when the disciplinary is announced (or whenever it is over Easter)

The simple logic is, there are plenty of ways to milk a penalty from a modern game, without claiming foul play. Wellens is clearly seen complaining after the tackle is affected, and evidence, circumstantially at least, suggests MM's teeth and wellens arm came into contact.

If there has been foul play then I agree that it should be punished. You don't know if a complaint has been made but in the meantime you are judging someone guilty until proven innocent.

We are not the jury and have no say on if he's guilty or not but as this is a open forum we can post our opinion.

I have seen the evidence, and formed my own opinion? Isnt that what the disciplinary will do? (and they ultimately won't have much more than we do) Isn't that the entire point of all discussion here?

It doesn't require a complaint to be made for it to be foul play btw

Your previous post said that he had complained and that it was being looked into. I am not aware that Wellens had lodged a complaint? I have also seen the evidence and MY opinion is that the video is inconclusive whereas this thread is filled with strong opinions that it is clearly foul play. I disagree. That's my opinion. The only foul play that is absolutely clear in the video is an arm in MM's face.

Your opinion originally was that wellens didn't "whinge" enough for it to be anything, then that it was saints fans "looking for reasons why we lost" - only now is it that you think it's inconclusive? Also, as with the "accidental biting" earlier in the thread wellens forearm and MM's head connected isn't immediately indicative of foul play. Nor is wellens arm and MM's teeth connecting foul play. The action of clamping down (aka biting) is - as has been asked, why would wellens make any sort of complaint (which is seen in the 16second video of the incident) if he didn't think there was force?

Also, I may be wrong, but any complaint of ungentlemanly conduct is immediately reported to the match commissioner (I know it is at amateur level) - so it will have to of been in his report at some level, even if wellens chose not to make a formal complaint. He is clearly seen making the complaint at the time (you acknowledge this) so it is now the disciplinary's responsibility to decide whether to investigate further

No Biting Charge on Disciplinary Section of RFL Website. Clearly not in Silverdud's report and not raised as a complaint to the match commisioner.

What did S O'Loughlin get? Anything?

Nope, Nfa

Why would he?

Because he was put on report? You do know what the means don't you? Chance of a ban yeah?