Simmons had a far better coaching pedigree than Brown. How long before you sack him too?

Sts are an average side these days. I don’t see too many stars queing up to sign.

Maybe when Browny moves Wello to the second row and Roby to prop things will improve.

I give you Evidence A, m'lud.

Amnesic, and more than a little bitter.

Oh yes, I would agree with that.

Did he? I don't actually know what Brown's pedigree is. I think Simmons got Penrith to a Grand Final but was sacked when they slipped to the bottom of the league. Mind you, Daniel Anderson suffered the same fate after the Eels followed the same pattern (and much more quickly too) so that isn't necessarily a criticism. I think Simmons got Hull to a couple of semis too but other than that he was an assistant for a long time at Wests.

Best thing to happen to us in the last 30 years bar Davy taking over.

He'll go well at Saints.

Cheers, I really hope he does and I do have high hopes. He transformed you guys.

I also hope Baloo continues his work (although not at Saints expense, of course!), I've loads of respect for the big man.

Last quality coach we had aint done so bad for himself, still lives close by too, Tony Smith.

Shame he'll probably be remembered for the last 8 weeks in which we've been crap rather than the good work hes done and the position hes elevated us to instead, up to 5 years ago, we could only dream off turning Leeds, Wigan, Saints,Wire over etc and now we tend to do it at least once a season.

Sadly not in the big games though, 2010 at your place still hurts, 20 lousy mins away from OT

Well it's nice to see the Saints fans who are already lined up to shoot Brown down and he has not even stepped through the door yet.

It always seams to be the case with fans nowa days that the smallest thing will suddenly have fans dying to jump down a player or a coaches throat and this one is not even here yet.

It's to be expected in the age of the internet and instant judgements, but no doubt there are fans out there looking for the day that NB finishes at Saints to see who is next in line for a good internet bashing. I have no loyalty to any particular coach but I think Millward is a great example that people should bear in mind, he was great at Saints not so great at Wigan. Both big clubs with huge resources, why should one be so different from the other, because they are.

NB's past 3 years at huddersfield can only tell us so much and the last 3 months even less.

Personally I think the Huddersfield fans have an excess amount of faith in an assistant coach who has learned everything he knows from NB. Yet expect him to come up with something even better to take them to glories they feel are within reach. Anderson may not be a terrible coach, but it's hard to see having been under brown and only brown how he will surpass his teacher. The addition of KP may help him as he will bring another dynamic of coaching from a different philosophy.

As for player power, well the reason it's the ultimate power is because without them there is no game. The only people who can counter player power are the owners and the fans. If the fans won't stand it, then the coach can act, if the owner won't stand it then the coach can act. But if the players get their punches in first by losing, then the fans and owner may already be on the coaches back before they see the revolution.

Who is doing that? I've only seen Hudds fans on here doing that. I've seen people expressing concerns and given the unpleasant way things have ended at Hudds for Brown that is hardly surprising, especially bearing in mind his presser yesterday. I don't see anyone lining up to shoot him down though. I think you are imagining that one unless I've missed a post.

You can't stop destiny though... KC was NOT going out of KR with a defeat!

He totally out coached us in the CC semi the previous year, you had that game won before kick off he'd prepared you so well.

I remember that match. Longy was water boy was he not? And the one thing we needed was a kicker because could we get through their defence? No. We were stuffed from the get-go.

And to think, this season we are top dogs for scoring tries from kicks. Who'd-a thunk it.

Look at the latest thread on the Hudds board



'Nathan Brown an unmitigated disaster ?'

Dragging their team from nowhere to league contenders = unmitigated disaster, apparently.

In fairness, it's really just Durham Giant who has adopted such a ridiculous stance.

He's taking it hard, poor lad.

It's tricky as it's a results based industry and the results say that he had to go. However the basis for those results seams to be down to unrest rather than coaching.

Unrest brought about by NB signing for Saints, their Captain leaving and pretty much every club having a good long look at Danny Brough.

Nathan Brown has elevated the Giants to playing with the top of the league, they has one really good year with Sharp, but nothing more notable than that, to not being out of the top 5 under brown, the old playoff places.

For me it seams that Huddersfield have got to the top of the tree, but staying there is a tougher job. When you are in 10th regularly, people are not looking to poach your players and coaches, now they have been in the top 5, 3 years running players are in demand and are going to be poached or tempted.

Saints had to ward off Warrington last year over TP, edmonson was offered better bucks to go play lower down the league. It's tough holding it together at the top and Huddersfield just don't seam to be able to do it and the club have cracked over these competing pressures.

If they lose Brough as well then I can't see them staying in the top half next year.

I can argue the point very validly and i am glad he has gone.

I did not join in the bunting waving and getting the champagne out after the first few games.

Our game against London was a killer. We won quite comfortably but got absolutely battered in the forwrds. I said at the time once we come up against a good team who are organised and have decent backs we will be knackered as our pack is featherweight.

Every time one of our poster puts up the OPTA stats i have said we Have no go forward from our pack.

I have been proved right. The worst thing is we still have a lightweight pack and will have the same problem until next season.

Bear in mind that NB was the FIRST and ONLY giants coach to have a FULL SALARY CAP to work to as well as TRANSFER FEES to buy players when needed.

If you look at the last few years how many teams were up to full salary cap so we would definitely have improved regardless. Brown had his strengths and improved elements of the team in terms of indavidual developments .
He is a NO 2 not a first team coach.


Most of those who are saying on our board he was god for the Giants have been around watching Huddersfield whilst were complete shiite. So for them a few good seasons where we did not lose 50 and 60 nill is a good achievement.

I set my sights higher and have always said Silverware counts the rest is .

Even Jon sharp got us to a CC final and a fifth place in the table but not many fans are lauding him.

You have no idea.

All the players knew Nathan Brown was leaving at the beginining of the year. did that affect the team in the first 12 games,

Kevin Brown asked for a transfer at the start of the season al the players knew it. Did that affect the team in the first 12 games.

The players got annoyed because they were constantly made to play in positions in which they struggled.

Did 34 year old second rower Lee Gilmour feel happy playing at Prop and geting snmashed every week NO.

Did David Faiumu a 31 year old Hooker want to play prop and get smashed carrying the ball in at first reciever No.

Did Kevin Brown a lightweight stand off who is game but not the strongest tackler want to be Loose Forward No i dont think so.

Did Grix move to stand off when he had played well at Full back all the previous season and be happy i doubt it. When he is missing 6 tackles a match it is bound to affect his confidence.

Who sold Darrell Griffin and replaced him with Tony Tonks

all of these and many more baffling ones are the reasons the players got unhappy with NB because they knew it was wrong, it was not working but Brown stuck to it. The team kept getting beat and confidence was completely shot.

The players were unhappy

Sounds like a mess, hopefully hes learned his lessons

Saying that Millward used to love tinkering and that didnt work out too bad for us

I agree, I don’t know the motives of a lot of what has gone on at the Hud, but Brown for most of the time has seemed to be on his game. He sometimes gives out an aura laidbackness rarely seen, or as my mate said when I said this in the pub, “No, he’s so laidback he’s more than horizontal, he’s prostate” no one laughed, and he won’t have it that it’s an old one. As for brown the coach at Saints, after the last few weeks, I not sure now, but I guess we’ll soon find out.
PS “No. 1 Saint” nice to read a RL comment (NO SARCASM INTENDED)

If Brown was going home I doubt there'd have been this sort of dip in form. By joining Saints (perhaps because it was the best offer he had) he's effectively gone back on his word with Huddersfield which broke the trust he had with those players. As soon as you don't feel you can trust your manager all sorts of horrible things start happening. Hudds players thought he was going home but he wasn't.

Brown's coaching record;-

NRL coaching career: St George Illawarra 2003-2008 – 142 games (75 wins, 67 defeats)

No Trophies Won

Super League coaching career Huddersfield Giants 2009-2012 – 92 games (53 wins 1 draw 38 defeats)

No Trophies Won

The above facts prove Brown is certainly not a World Class coach, not even a particularly good one. Pretty mediocre if you ask me.

I would have been tempted to stick with Rush and Cunningham to be honest.

Also he was never under pressure at the Giants, after what happened to Simmons the pressure is gonna be on right from the start at Saints, he may not even make it thru the first season?

What was Tony smiths record like before he left you lot?

How do they prove that? Huddersfield were dreadful when he took over. They've made semi-finals and play-offs since then. This is with a handful of decent players many of which he developed himself.

He's a coach, not a miracle worker. Until he gets the proper resources nobody knows how good he is.

I honestly think some of these hudds fans are deluded if they honestly think that there mediocre squad is good enough to win things!

In 15 years of super league, only saints, Wigan, Leeds and the bulls have won the grand final which shows just how hard it is for the "lesser" teams to win it.

Only saints, Leeds, Wigan, bulls, warrington and hull have won the challenge cup in the super league era, once again it shows the big teams have a monopoly.

The fact the giants was a bottom tier team when Brown took over and they have made a challenge cup final, challenge cup semi finals, grand final semis show just what a great job he's done.

I think these giants fans need to take a long look in the mirror and I don't mean all 2,000 of them.

Almost got it right



I agree some of the desperate Brown bashing going on just makes them sound bitter.