Congratulations on imposing a false - and completely ridiculous - dilemma. It's like responding to someone critical of democratic government today with the argument that [i"alternatively we could move back to the days of a despotic monarch whose word is law"[/i. Just because fans are unsatisfied by the way early matches are deemed to be non-essential by coaches (a perfectly reasonable complaint, IMO) this [udoes not[/u automatically mean they want to see a return to a league format, winter rugby, cloth caps and such.

I was curious, though you might say that.

I'm still not sure on Simmons as I don't know how much of this is down to back loading the season and how much is Saints playing below the standard we expect.

Alot of people where expecting Catalan to match us, even sky went 50/50 on who they tipped. So the defeat was not a shocking defeat, just a shocking last 30. Maybe another way to look at it though was it was a shocking opening 50 to nullify Catalan.

I'm not trying excuse the defense, it was bad, but if you had given the scoreline without seeing the game, it would not have shocked most RL fans. So I guess neither coach will be happy, for shipping in so many points and looking so stagnent and unable to control the game for key periods.

What a load of total bollox. Sometimes you do talk absolute drivvel! You're even worse than me for it.

I can just see the coach of any club admitting on TV to any plan whatsoever, except to a general 'game plan' statement. I'm sure he wants Brown to know what he has up his sleeve for the Hudds match for instance.

Incidentally, his game plan was working fine for 60 minutes on Friday. Pity the players chose to go their own way after that. If we'd stuck to the plan we might well have won. Ditto for Hull KR.

I'm sure our players would!!

Oh, they will know. Whether they can be bothered sticking to it for the full 80 is another matter. Hopefully they will have been embarrassed enough by their performance on Friday to realise that sticking to the plan is actually a good idea. When they did so last season we got good results.

Most people arguing against the play off system do though...

Then they should listen to him in training, rather than his press conferences.

I don't think does much in training either. KP does most of the training using Simmons odd methods.

Now, please tell me again what happened at HKR and how we learned/improved from it.

What exactly does Simmons do on a day to day basis then?

Goes on twitter @roycesimmons

My guess is he sits by the Billabong dreaming of "Waltzing Matilda"

Well, at HKR we played very well for 20 minutes then decided we couldn't be ahsed defending for 60 minutes. On Friday we played very well for 60 minutes then decided we couldn't be ahsed defending for 20 minutes. Improvement = 40 minutes. Lesson learned = a match lasts longer than 20 minutes.

Plays with witches hats and eats a lot of sausages.

On the subject of hull kr, the Warrington and hull kr fans are having a good old punch up after the game so I'm told.

That's not according to reports by George Riley on Twitter. According to him it was Hull KR fans fighting among themselves. I tend to believe George Riley as I've seen them do that at Knowsley Road.

Possibly, just a txt of a mate said the is fighting and I just thought it be with wolves fans.

Can't see Saints troubling the silverware this season.

If you've come for a argument with that childish post then you'll be disappoint because most agree.

Neither can we, but no one could see anything but a Wire v Wigan final last year. Strange things happen in sport.

There are Wire fans in that end though.

Some do. Some don't. Others either have no alternative or don't offer it.

What I don't like is the way people with genuine grievances are ganged upon and lampooned as parochial throwbacks. It's divisive and counter-productive.

So you agree with my so-called 'childish' post. Does that make you childish too?

And i haven't come on to argue. It's just an observation and it could be wrong. Ok?

The fact you came on a saints forum and posted that comment IMO makes you childish.

Even ignoring the fact that more often than not we play with just 16 men, Simmons use of the bench is farcical at times and undermines my confidence in him and his tactical nous.

Before anyone starts, yes he has more coaching experience than me so of course it's all IMO.