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I suppose if we look at players who were considered the best than it would have to be Andy Farrell or Ellery Hanley who have both won the Golden Boot and have Wembley connections.
But I would still have Shaun Edwards whose name is synonymous with Wembley and Rugby League.
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It shocks me that a man the year above God at school still has a memory that doesn't go beyond the 80's
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| Quote ="Horatio Yed"It shocks me that a man the year above God at school still has a memory that doesn't go beyond the 80's'"
Opinions on players will always vary. However what is =#FF0000 fact is that Shaun Edwards has appeared at Wembley more than ANY other Rugby League player and been a winner there more than any other Rugby League player.
As such he has to be one of the players considered. Wasn't he also the youngest captain of a Challenge Cup winning side? |
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Opinions on players will always vary. However what is=#FF0000 fact is that Shaun Edwards has appeared at Wembley more than ANY other Rugby League player and been a winner there more than any other Rugby League player.
As such he has to be one of the players considered. Wasn't he also the youngest captain of a Challenge Cup winning side?'" Rouges you know tellinsers couldnt stomache a shaun edwards statue.It would gall saints fans every time they went to wenmbley and likewise a murphy statue for you pies.Personally its gotta be an iconic piece encapsulating everything 'Rugby League'( not one man,but something like alan prescott being car
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"ALAN PRESCOTT will forever be remembered for one of the most conspicuous acts of bravery seen in sport. Playing through injury is one thing, but carrying on with an arm broken in the third minute of a rugby league Test against Australia is the stuff of legends"..........(Alan Prescotts obituary dave hadfield daily telegraph sept 22 199icon_cool.gif.So yeah a staute of Prescott carried with ashes celebrating GB Lions in a memorable game of league |
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Gotta be the statuesque Ellery Hanley.
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| Having Hanley as a statue would be good on a number of levels. For one he is one of the greatest players who have played the game and secondly it would be making a statement about RL's proud history of multi racial inclusivity.
I would not however in a million years pick Shaun Edwards, not against him as a person, just didnt rate him that highly as a player, though I appreciate that he is loved by Wiganers.
For me though he was the classic case of someone who "stood on the shoulders of Giants". A strong hearted passionate player who always gave 100% for the cherry and whites, but whose skills were somewhat limited compared to those around him.
The very fact he has been associated with RU for longer than RL would also rule him out.
We need to look through the photo archives and search for a photo that sums up the spirit and soul of RL. The aussies did it when they chose this for their grand final trophy
Some people have suggested Offiah on his knees
However to me this could be misinterpreted as someone crying in despair.
Instead we need something like this. There must be thousands of really positive emotional pics taken through the years.
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If Crompton had been at Wigan instead of Edwards and played in the proffesional team instead of Edwards would he be a great of the game? Edwards was fortunate enough to be in a side that had more money than anyone else and bought anyone they fancied, Murphy on the other hand took 3 sides there and was probably the most naturally gifted player of his generation, If Murphy and Edwards had played at the same time Murphy would be twice the player Edwards was and i'm sure Wigan would have bankrolled his signing too.
Don't forget international rugby there's not just domestic, Edwards biggest moment was ripping off Bradley Clydes head.
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| Quote ="The Chair Maker"We need to look through the photo archives and search for a photo that sums up the spirit and soul of RL. The aussies did it when they chose this for their grand final trophy
Some people have suggested Offiah on his knees '"
Both good points there bud. I like the idea of using a pose which is iconic and has an emotional connection with the spirit of the game. The Offiah one works and the more I think about it the more I like it even though I don't think we should be putting a ex-union guy on a plinth to celebrate league. It should be something like that. Just look at the emotion in the picture. It doesn't matter if somebody questions whether it's anguish because it's a picture of extreme euphoria tied in with physical exertion and as such is a wonderful juxtaposition of our incredible sport. |
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| Quote ="Horatio Yed"If Crompton had been at Wigan instead of Edwards and played in the proffesional team instead of Edwards would he be a great of the game? Edwards was fortunate enough to be in a side that had more money than anyone else and bought anyone they fancied, Murphy on the other hand took 3 sides there and was probably the most naturally gifted player of his generation, If Murphy and Edwards had played at the same time Murphy would be twice the player Edwards was and i'm sure Wigan would have bankrolled his signing too.
Don't forget international rugby there's not just domestic, Edwards biggest moment was ripping off Bradley Clydes head.'"
Totally agree. If Alex Murphy was the same age as Edwards Wigan would have maxed the credit cards even more than they already did to get him in cherry and white. |
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| Quote ="French Ray"Gotta be the statuesque Ellery Hanley.'"
I totally agree. He's got connections at Wembley as a player and also was the first black coach of a national team in Britain. Not only did he play at Wembley but coached great Britain there.
He's highly respected rugby league player all over the world and is one of the greatest players this country has ever produced and played for bulls, Wigan and leeds so he's not just one connection with a single club.
He was a true pro.
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| Quote ="No1 Saint"Totally agree. If Alex Murphy was the same age as Edwards Wigan would have maxed the credit cards even more than they already did to get him in cherry and white.'"
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Here's the argument ender which has come from the VT.
Have a statue of both the Offiah and Fox poses. I think that's utterly brilliant especially with Offiah's pose. What do you think?
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Quote ="Horatio Yed"If Crompton had been at Wigan instead of Edwards and played in the proffesional team instead of Edwards would he be a great of the game? Edwards was fortunate enough to be in a side that had more money than anyone else and bought anyone they fancied, Murphy on the other hand took 3 sides there and was probably the most naturally gifted player of his generation, If Murphy and Edwards had played at the same time Murphy would be twice the player Edwards was and i'm sure Wigan would have bankrolled his signing too.
Don't forget international rugby there's not just domestic, Edwards biggest moment was ripping off Bradley Clydes head.'"
Some posters on here are saying that Wigan bought anyone they wanted. They certainly replaced very good/ great players (the likes of Hanley, Gregory, Goodway etc) but Edwards is sixth on the all time Wigans appearance list so obviously they thought he was one of their most influential players EVER. particularly when you look at the players above him are also five of the all time greats of Rugby League.
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Don't forget international rugby there's not just domestic, Edwards biggest moment was ripping off Bradley Clydes head.'"
Some posters on here are saying that Wigan bought anyone they wanted. They certainly replaced very good/ great players (the likes of Hanley, Gregory, Goodway etc) but Edwards is sixth on the all time Wigans appearance list so obviously they thought he was one of their most influential players EVER. particularly when you look at the players above him are also five of the all time greats of Rugby League.
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| Quote ="McClennan"Here's the argument ender which has come from the VT.
Have a statue of both the Offiah and Fox poses. I think that's utterly brilliant especially with Offiah's pose. What do you think?'"
I personally don't think either are ideal for various reasons. I'd much rather see something that commemorates the sport and all of its players that have entertained at Wembley rather than going down the route of the Bobby Moore statue that commemorates just one (or two) individuals.
The Bobby Moore statue represents England's greatest and most successful (in terms of trophies won) captain as well as the man as a person, who whilst was certainly no angel, epitomised the gentlemanly spirit in which football was (and should still be) played.
To put a statue of say... Martin Offiah outside Wembley would for me send out the wrong message, and the greatest thing it would achieve would be to over-inflate said player's ego (and give the pies one more thing to brag about).
I honestly believe the best thing would be an anonymous player with 13 on his back either in an action pose or lifting a replica of the Challenge Cup. |
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Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Some posters on here are saying that Wigan bought anyone they wanted. They certainly replaced very good/ great players (the likes of Hanley, Gregory, Goodway etc) but Edwards is sixth on the all time Wigans appearance list so obviously they thought he was one of their most influential players EVER. particularly when you look at the players above him are also five of the all time greats of Rugby League.
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Listen bud. We're not interested in some self-serving campaign to project a Wigoon legend into some kind of RL legend when he clearly isn't. We want something bigger than Edwards because it's our sport. If the best you can come up with for our sport is a guy who trotted off with a load of silver without once actually winning the man of the match award then you need to set those standards higher.
It's all besides the point now anyway because the juxtaposition of Offiah (who coincidentally played for Wigoon) with Fox on the same statue is genius.
And before anybody suggests that Fox shouldn't be part of the statue because "He's a loser", I posted this in response on another thread.
[iYou are missing the point altogether. We are talking of a statue, which is by definition a work of art, here to commemorate the sport and its relationship to Wembley. Art does not always have to just acknowledge who won so it stands to reason that one of the most incredible sporting moments in the history of world sport should be a contender for the statue (how many people see the event does not make this claim any less credible).
If Fox's pose was commissioned (and I may have talked myself into saying it is now my first choice) then what better moment to capture exactly what rugby league is about and I don't just mean with Wembley either. Rugby league is about heroes, magic, flair, and physical/mental commitment of the highest order. However, most of all rugby league is about drama. Drama on the pitch every week unlike any other professional team sport in the world. Our sport creates so much drama that we call it entertainment because it is both. When Fox missed that kick it was dramatic but it was also the exact entertainment that gets me, you and everybody else going back for more week after week after week. If it wasn't we'd have stopped watching long ago.[/i
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Listen bud. We're not interested in some self-serving campaign to project a Wigoon legend into some kind of RL legend when he clearly isn't. We want something bigger than Edwards because it's our sport. If the best you can come up with for our sport is a guy who trotted off with a load of silver without once actually winning the man of the match award then you need to set those standards higher.
It's all besides the point now anyway because the juxtaposition of Offiah (who coincidentally played for Wigoon) with Fox on the same statue is genius.
And before anybody suggests that Fox shouldn't be part of the statue because "He's a loser", I posted this in response on another thread.
[iYou are missing the point altogether. We are talking of a statue, which is by definition a work of art, here to commemorate the sport and its relationship to Wembley. Art does not always have to just acknowledge who won so it stands to reason that one of the most incredible sporting moments in the history of world sport should be a contender for the statue (how many people see the event does not make this claim any less credible).
If Fox's pose was commissioned (and I may have talked myself into saying it is now my first choice) then what better moment to capture exactly what rugby league is about and I don't just mean with Wembley either. Rugby league is about heroes, magic, flair, and physical/mental commitment of the highest order. However, most of all rugby league is about drama. Drama on the pitch every week unlike any other professional team sport in the world. Our sport creates so much drama that we call it entertainment because it is both. When Fox missed that kick it was dramatic but it was also the exact entertainment that gets me, you and everybody else going back for more week after week after week. If it wasn't we'd have stopped watching long ago.[/i
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| Quote ="Tony Stark"I personally don't think either are ideal for various reasons. I'd much rather see something that commemorates the sport and all of its players that have entertained at Wembley rather than going down the route of the Bobby Moore statue that commemorates just one (or two) individuals.
The Bobby Moore statue represents England's greatest and most successful (in terms of trophies won) captain as well as the man as a person, who whilst was certainly no angel, epitomised the gentlemanly spirit in which football was (and should still be) played.
To put a statue of say... Martin Offiah outside Wembley would for me send out the wrong message, and the greatest thing it would achieve would be to over-inflate said player's ego (and give the pies one more thing to brag about).
I honestly believe the best thing would be an anonymous player with 13 on his back either in an action pose or lifting a replica of the Challenge Cup.'"
I understand what you're saying but see my post above about what the statue should be for. |
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| Quote ="McClennan"Here's the argument ender which has come from the VT.
Have a statue of both the Offiah and Fox poses. I think that's utterly brilliant especially with Offiah's pose. What do you think?'"
Without knowing the lead up to the Offiah pose, it looks like two devasted blokes. It should have the caption "It's reet grim oop North".
Cracking idea though, the pain and the ecstacy of the Cup, but not sure the Offiah pose is the one that best captures the ecstacy.
Someone mentioned, somewhere (helpful, I know!), Alan Prescott being carried shoulder high by his GB teammates after beating the Aussies - can't find a picture, but like the idea.
I can't escape feeling that it should be a GB / England, rather than club, moment. |
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| Quote ="Cragganmore Kid"Without knowing the lead up to the Offiah pose, it looks like two devasted blokes. It should have the caption "It's reet grim oop North".
Cracking idea though, the pain and the ecstacy of the Cup, but not sure the Offiah pose is the one that best captures the ecstacy.
Someone mentioned, somewhere (helpful, I know!), Alan Prescott being carried shoulder high by his GB teammates after beating the Aussies - can't find a picture, but like the idea.
=#FF0000I can't escape feeling that it should be a GB / England, rather than club, moment.'"
if the statue was going to be somewhere else than I could see that point, but it's going to be at Wembley.
If you want a happy statue, what about Henderson Gills big grin after his try V Hull ( a classic try and a classic moment) |
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"if the statue was going to be somewhere else than I could see that point, but it's going to be at Wembley.
If you want a happy statue, what about Henderson Gills big grin after his try V Hull ( a classic try and a classic moment)'"
So a GB / England moment at Wembley.
Might not fit your agenda, but if you REALLY try you could probably point to a Wigan player doing something of note for his national team. |
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| Quote ="Cragganmore Kid"Might not fit your agenda, but if you REALLY try you could probably point to a Wigan player doing something of note for his national team.'"
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| Quote ="Cragganmore Kid"Without knowing the lead up to the Offiah pose, it looks like two devasted blokes. It should have the caption "It's reet grim oop North".
Cracking idea though, the pain and the ecstacy of the Cup, but not sure the Offiah pose is the one that best captures the ecstacy. '"
I think that's why its perfect. At first it looks like both are in despair but upon closer inspection it unfolds into a masterpiece which celebrates the minute difference between success and failure in emotional terms. If we are talking about a piece of art (which it is) then what better way of presenting our game? Not only does it suggest that success and failure are both sides of the same coin, it uses two of the very most iconic images of RL at Wembley and it has a magical ambiguity to it which requires further exploration. Yes, I suppose you could put Henderson Gill on there but you would lose the subtle dramatic contrast which is also representative of how the tiniest mental difference can mean you go home winner or loser. Our sport at the very highest level is about mental strength as well as physical strength and Offiah/Fox would embody and highlight so much more than a simple recognition of a successful person would.
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| Quote ="McClennan"I think that's why its perfect. At first it looks like both are in despair but upon closer inspection it unfolds into a masterpiece which celebrates the minute difference between success and failure in emotional terms. If we are talking about a piece of art (which it is) then what better way of presenting our game? Not only does it suggest that success and failure are both sides of the same coin, it uses two of the very most iconic images of RL at Wembley and it has a magical ambiguity to it which requires further exploration. Yes, I suppose you could put Henderson Gill on there but you would lose the subtle dramatic contrast which is also representative of how the tiniest mental difference can mean you go home winner or loser. Our sport at the very highest level is about mental strength as well as physical strength and Offiah/Fox would embody and highlight so much more than a simple recognition of a successful person would.
Vote Offiah/Fox.'"
You've really thought this through!
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I did read your post (albeit after I posted my own) and concur with your reasons for choosing both iconic poses but for me the key part is the above. We can do both excellently well without running the risk of making it appear we are celebrating the career of one individual or another - which placing the statue in the vacinity of another that does exactly that may result in, albeit perhaps moreso to the non rugby league fan. |
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"if the statue was going to be somewhere else than I could see that point, but it's going to be at Wembley.
If you want a happy statue, what about Henderson Gills big grin after his try V Hull ( a classic try and a classic moment)'"
Why must you always suggest a wigan player. Are you so blinkered that you can't see past club loyalties. I'm a saints fan born in cowley hill and raised in Billinge amongst the Inbreds ( some of which are my good mates ). We can discuss RL without us all touting our corner with the blinkers on. Personally I think there are many moments from wembley finals which we could choose. My favourite would not be based on it being a saints player. If you read further back you will find that I would like a statue of Lance Todd ( played for wigan didn't he ). Why? Because his name is linked to the standout player of every final. |
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| Jul 2021 | Nov 2012 | LINK |
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TO BE FIXED |
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