Billy Benyon



"Were you offside Billy"?

Benyons reply "The referee said I wasn't

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Id give him 6 weeks and I bet he'd surprise you!

To be fair, rather than just be being mischievous like you're being, Bellamy developed and debuted all of those players - he's a tremendous coach. Can't see anything other than staying with the Storm and NSW, and likely Australia after Sheens.

no denying that they are good players - but effectively (and officially) Craig Bellamy has won very little, if anything, in his coaching career. if we are going for a big name (and big money) coach, I would prefer one with something to his name.

There also has to be questions raised about Bellamy's role in the scandal at Melbourne - do we need the problems that could arise due to that, especially if criminal proceedings go ahead in the case.

Quite suprised to be honest.

I get the feeling you're going to keep getting better under potter and he's good with the young players. Morgan will be a good choice because he looks good in sunglasses and can have a cocky edge. That's all you need.

I merely suggested Meninga as a realistic rumour.

He wouldnt be my first choice either.

Morgan wouldnt be a bad shout, but surely a bit too much of the millwards for our board.

It would be nice to think we could attract a good former NRL coach but it looks harder and harder for them to get back to the NRL afterwards and whose available who wants to come here?

lets face it were addicted to NRL coaches now it would be nice to try a good assistant but are there really any standouts?

I`m trying to think if millward was the last NL coach to succesfully step up

Then again look at what we could of had

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I like Morgan, and what he acheived with both Toulouse and Hull KR. I think that perhaps he has done all he can with the resources at Hull KR, and the time might have come for a change in scenery for him.


Wouldnt be my first choice - but i wouldnt be as upset as some people seem to be about it.

Took a while for Harry to win me over, and I was extremely concerned about the brand of RL we were playing last season - however, the leash seems to have been loosened on our attacking play and the young lads seem to be flourishing.

I'd have liked to have seen him give us another season.

I dont believe for one minute that fans have influenced Mick Potters decision to go to pastures new.

Its a fact of life that if you sign a highly rated young up and coming coach from Australia they generally dont hang around long before they go back down under to take up a first grade post in the NRL. Its something Wigan fans will need to come to terms with re Michael Mcguire. I personally cant see him lasting more than 2 seasons at Wigan before someone down under comes knocking. Huddersfield fans are already becoming resigned to losing Nathan Brown.

The SL is very much the finishing school for prospective NRL coaches.

The only aussie coaches that hang around for any extended period, are generally those that arent considered good enough by the aussies.

Potter has got a very impressive CV to take down under with him. He can say he has coached a new start up team to a grand final eg Challenge cup and also got them in the playoffs within a couple of years of their creation. Winning SL coach of the year in the process.
He can also point to the development of French players like Thomas Bosc, who he turned from a winger into a top class half back.

Moving on from Catalans he can point to successfully managing the transitional period of St.Helens as old legends are put out to pasture. He can show how he took that side to a grand final, against the odds, in his first year, and has helped in developing the talents of numerous st.helens young guns to the extent that a side full of under 21 players can compete with the best.

He can point out that he can coach different styles of RL, be it hard graft wrestle RL as shown in 2009 or flamboyant attacking RL in 2010.

Mick for me would make an outstanding coach for a new NRL franchise, or maybe a traditional NRL club wanting to rediscover that old magic.

As for his replacement, It sadly has to come from down under. Unfortunately i just dont think there is the culture within the UK to develop modern coaches.
We have seen on these forums how the British mentality is to go for a big name ex player, rather than someone with the scientific knowlege, man management skills and creative ability to manage a team.
This viewpoint is reflected throughout our sporting society, and is not just confined to RL. Soccer is full of ex star turns being thrown in at the deep end, only to drown. The end result of course is the Premiership is now full of experienced continental coaches.

Look at RU where former playing legend Martin Johnson was considered the right man to coach England to success, despite a total lack of experience. His side has been a complete and utter disaster.

Its why i dispair when i hear fans say give Scully the Job or give Joynty or Keiron the top job.
To use the analogy, If my car needed servicing, i wouldnt take it to be fixed by someone who could merely drive a car well, i would look for a time served car mechanic with the right experience training and equipment.

How do you know that is what has happened?

I reckon the upturn coincided perfectly with Big Mac announcing Potter's departure to the players.

There's a surprise!

I'm with you. With the greatest respect to Mick, I don't think he was the one who instigated an upturn in performance. I'll leave it at that..

Rafa Benitez is stumbling on contract talks with Liverpool and Juve. He's obviously heard.

Gus Goulding.... ma, he wouldn't take the job, would he?

Millward to sttle his differences and return for another crack at the cheerleading staff??

Jason Taylor anyone?

certainly one of the more likely names from Aus to be suggested.

What are you talking about? Inglis was a star long before he made his debut. You make Bellamy sound like some kind of modern day Michelangelo, moulding Inglis magically out of clay. The truth is everyone knew Inglis was the business at 16. He was a BORN RL player.

The facts are simple - Melbourne Storm - Bellamy's team - BOUGHT their silverware and came as close as anyone has done to completely redefining the word "cheating" in sport. They are a stain on the history of the game and everyone associated with the club will forever have a question mark next to them.

Quote ="Mugwump"What are you talking about? Inglis was a star long before he made his debut. You make Bellamy sound like some kind of modern day Michelangelo, moulding Inglis magically out of clay. The truth is everyone knew Inglis was the business at 16. He was a BORN RL player. =#FF0000The facts are simple - Melbourne Storm - Bellamy's team - BOUGHT their silverware and came as close as anyone has done to completely redefining the word "cheating" in sport. They are a stain on the history of the game and everyone associated with the club will forever have a question mark next to them.'" I don't think Gus Gould agrees with you. www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yz5TEw9-jrI

Quote ="Mugwump"What are you talking about? Inglis was a star long before he made his debut. You make Bellamy sound like some kind of modern day Michelangelo, moulding Inglis magically out of clay. The truth is everyone knew Inglis was the business at 16. He was a BORN RL player. =#FF0000The facts are simple - Melbourne Storm - Bellamy's team - BOUGHT their silverware and came as close as anyone has done to completely redefining the word "cheating" in sport. They are a stain on the history of the game and everyone associated with the club will forever have a question mark next to them.'" I don't think Gus Gould agrees with you. www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yz5TEw9-jrI

I would agree with that if they had done what Wigan did in the late 80's and early 90's and lured talented players from other clubs with the promises of riches - blatantly ignoring the cap to further their own gain.

The fact is that the majority of players at Storm came through the junior set up. They have cheated in so much as they have paid inflated salaries in order to keep their hands on the talent that they as a club have produced. Im not condoning what they have done, I still think they cheated the system, but I think this case alone opens up a wider issue about the salary cap in general. Clubs who work hard to develop young players should reap the benefits of that players skills when they hit the top of their game. Younger players breaking into first team who then go on to become internationals (thus demanding increased contracts) - Kyle Eastmond the most recent example - should only have a proportion of their contract count towards the salary cap - say 80%. That way, clubs can reward players and recognise their standing in the game whilst themselves benefitting from that players service.

If a team ends up with a squad of 25 BRITISH players all internationals earning 20% more than their contemporaries at other clubs then were is the problem? They are rewarded for long service to the club and for their loyalty with a larger contract.

If a club can afford it, I dont see an issue with rewarding player development. Everyone is a winner.

Quote ="Rogues Gallery"I don't think Gus Gould agrees with you. www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yz5TEw9-jrI'" That is a good point by Gus. Why should teams that develop young talent be punished for it. If teams like the Roosters are not able to produce good young players then they should be punished for it not bailed out. There does need to be a rethink regarding club trained players wages counting against the salary cap. On the other hand it does not change the fact that Melbourne cheated and went to great lengths to try and get away with it.

Quote ="Rogues Gallery"I don't think Gus Gould agrees with you. www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yz5TEw9-jrI'" That is a good point by Gus. Why should teams that develop young talent be punished for it. If teams like the Roosters are not able to produce good young players then they should be punished for it not bailed out. There does need to be a rethink regarding club trained players wages counting against the salary cap. On the other hand it does not change the fact that Melbourne cheated and went to great lengths to try and get away with it.

The problem is that only a handful of teams could afford it. Leeds, Warrington and possibly Wigoon and Hull at a push.

You have to look at the Goons for the reason why the cap has to stay low, clubs dont make profit with the cap, if you allow loopholes to bump up salaries more clubs would go to the wall.

I think this is the most important point, teams should be rewarded for bringing youngsters through their own academy. This kind of system, which is similar to the one which Rogues has been suggesting for a while, needs to be in place. Yes, Melbourne cheated and what they did can't be condoned, but they shouldn't have been put in such a position in which they are punished for developing the best players in the world themselves.

The salary cap is working, but it is soon going to become outdated. It needs to be modified as more young English players begin to make the grade.

with me being a fair distance away, from hearing local gossip etc, I there any real chance of IM returning, and apart from names being brandished about who peple would like, is there any firm talk of a specific Name.