He seems to "misunderstand" a lot of what goes on at a Rugby game Brian!

I'm a she, I'm a coach and I understand a lot. You mistake misunderstanding for not agreeing.

Although when it comes to Rogues' post, he wasn't clear on what he meant.

It seems quite clear that you misunderstood Rogues' post or are you disagreeing with his point that 3 men in a tackle potentially creates an opportunity for a creative ball handling player to open up the defence with a good offload?

Rogues wasn't clear. He's now explained himself. And yes, a good offload can certainly help in attack. I'd still hardly call that creative though.

I hope you never coach at Wigan


Ask your family about the great Brian McTigue, ask them about Harry Pinner. Ask them if they were creative. If they say no then I'm afraid they know nothing about Rugby League.
It was clear enough from my original post what I meant, or it would be to someone who really knows their rugby league.

There is no 'getting away with it', every other team slows the ptb down as much as they do when they have three in the tackle, no one else gets three in the tackle as often as Wigan do. We slowed the ptb as much as they did on Friday.

He was perfectly clear, everyone else knew what he meant.

You also have to be very fit to use that tactic. The first man has to get back into the defensive line very quickly or they will get exposed. As I said before a really good ball playing forward and quick support player can cause havock against the gang tackle. I went back to the Pinner, McTigue eras, but the likes of Solomaona and Lauititi in todays game are pretty good at it. Shane Tronc may cause us similar problems on Monday.

It's not just the number, it's the technique, we are holding the player up, then moving him around and putting him to the floor then wrestling him over and then waiting for the ref to hold which is usually after 3 seconds. We are giving the defence about 9 seconds to get set.

We also have the best line speed in the league and we are putting in some hugh hits! Our whole backrow are just monsters in defence and they free up the rest of the team to do their own bit.

Wigan probably would of been confortable had we had a half decent kicking game. We were also missing half of our pack, Riddell, Coley and Hansen and yet our defence was still superb. I can't understand why some saints fans cannot accept our defence was superb and the tactics were spot on.

Is it not a compliment to saints that these were some of the tactics we used? Saints would rip us appart if we didn't slow them down.

I doubt it. It's just that you love to have a go when you get the chance!

I would never want to.

They'd have to be under 11 (boys) or under 16 (girls) anyway.

PS: Smilies don't always work, Rogues.

Because your defence was not superb! Had we not bumbled them, we would have had two more tries than you (and the other two happened when you had 13 men on the pitch). Without the penalties which we graciously gave you, we would have nilled you in the second half! Most Saints supporters are frustrated that Saints bottled it on the day. They had you and they bloody bottled it. Grrr!!!!


Oh yes. Let me get on my knees and worship you now.




You don't need to tell any Saints supporter that. You'd have been no different from last year without your messing about at the PTB. Why do you think your coach encourages it?

bitterness personified. You really should at least try and get over it!

Yeah, right.

Does your coach encourage your players hands to be in at the PTB often than not? I don't believe this is in the spirit of the game is it?

It would seem that yours does.

Well Wigan do it as much if not more than us to be honest. Just watch your old mans Video/dvd's and you will see what I mean. Wrestling a player etc like you do is not in the spirit of the game either but we have to put up with it for now.

That wasn't the question I asked. You got penalised for it a lot on Friday, something your coach must be working on in training.

The tactics ARE frustrating from a fans point of view, but I have no issue with any club doing them. It's the referee's who have to police them and if they let them go, then the players will continue to push it. Nearly every player looks round at the ref these days whilst lying on top of an attacking player, ready for the signal to get off. It's the refs judgement to make the call.

Because it wins us games, 8 from 9 in fact. Well, that and the best attack in the league, hth.

It's because you don't have the best attack in the league that he encourages it.

I think that's a somewhat pathetic development IMO.

I'll have what it is that your sniffing, have you seen our for and against in the league table?

Yeah. Big deal. So you beat up the Crusaders at the start of the season. Let's see how it goes once everyone has played against you and knows what to expect, and is on form and has most of their players on the pitch.

I think you should quit whatever it is your doing and become a comedian, comedy gold!