KC should have replied "because you've done nothing again like you've done all year and your not fit to lace the likes of jammers boots"

LMS isn't good enough.

we'd have been better off signing Hill from Leigh but hey ho - tbh we still have a good enough squad if we were better coached ...

I thought that Puletua and Soliola were by far your best players tonight, both looked dangerous. You also made some good kicks, turned our fullback on quite a few occasions. I'd agree with many of your comments about Wellens, too, I thought that he was poor tonight.

Saints' discipline was poor in the second half. Whilst the ref missed quite a few infringements by both sides (but, let's face it, we don't want a Child performance) it's inexcusable for a side to give away several penalties in their own half when the scores are even. I would imagine Simmons, and your fans, were furious about this.

Obviously Roby was a big loss for you tonight and there's still a big hole where Graham was (he's nigh on irreplaceable).

I thought that Saints were the better side in the first half but that Hull were superior in the second.

The crowd probably made a psychological difference to the players, seemed that the home support were very quiet (although there was some w[size=1.[/sizeanker in the Hull end that insisted on chucking his beer over everyone at every try/penalty/conversion)


Not to do with the game but do any of you guys get frustrated with the farces that were happening at the turnstiles?

Some of you Saints fans need to get a grip.

I can't see you winning a GF, but you haven't actually got a bad side.

There are are obvious issues but some of those can be dealt with pretty easily and you've got some very talented young players coming through.

Looking at some of the issues:

Wellens has never been a world beater (I know you won't admit this, but it's true

). He has unquestionably been a great servant to your club and is a fantastic professional, but his lack of pace has always been an issue and now it is just time for him to be retired gracefully. In the Saints sides of the noughties his awareness and reading of the game covered up his lack of basic speed and he wasn't asked to do as much in defence, now that the team has declined and he has slowed down even further he simply cannot play at top level.

It sounds like your forwards just need a rollicking. What you need is someone senior on the coaching staff who can deliver the required attitude adjustment, the ideal would be a home town lad who played prop for the club and is known for his uncompromising standards and passion for the club. So, a Saints version of Wane, basically...



And then there's the coaching situation. Not sure how easy it would be to get a top coach in now the season is underway. Do you really want to start chopping and changing? This is the toughest call.

Very short term answer would be to get KC to play again bit like Scholes at Man U quality players always give you something i didn't see last nights game but against us you lacked a leader who will grab the rest and bring them with him !!

How quickly the tide turns! when it was first mooted that LMS was on his way from London, you didn't need him! then when he arrived the same people were praising him, but then you had a full pack, not one or two carrying the rest! and now he is not good enough! sad!

I will pay LMS his first class train ticket back to London!

Calm down and look deeper at the problem, as many have said the Eye has been on the stadium and nothing else, perhaps like our young rookie coach Simmons may not be good enough or out of his depth.

This thread makes Paul Wellens sound worse than Richie Mathers.. things cannot be that bad... can they??

My memory is pretty good.
How's yours?

I can't help but think that Royce is stepping back and letting KP do the talking behind the scenes. Royce doesn't come across to me as a motivator, I've no doubt he can spray the players when needed but mentally he seems to struggle to get players up for the game.

I hope I'm wrong but...

Once again we only score tries on the back of penalties to put us near the opposition line.How many line breaks did we achieve? Same story every week.

KP does do most of the talking while Royce takes back seat. Royce does have the last word but most of the talking is done by KP.

How about this from the Dragons! Something like this is what seemingly what we need. www.youtube.com/watch?v=esY6SGrz ... e=youtu.be

How about this from the Dragons! Something like this is what seemingly what we need. www.youtube.com/watch?v=esY6SGrz ... e=youtu.be

I'm really amazed at some of you doom and gloom saints fans, don't be so fickle. Yep your on a bad run and losing last night to us has magnified some areas for improvement, but its not the end of the world.
it's in the Saints genes that you will come good, you may be going through a transitional phase but talk of not being top 8 !!! Give me a break. You'll be there or there or there abouts when all the points are tallied up.
World class replacement props and scrum halves do not grow on trees and you'll just have to be patient and get it right slowly, as you always have done, before you are back at the top of the tree. No one has a devine right, not even St Helens. but your side needs real support to get you through this seasonal blip, and your young starlets need it too before you break them. Just get real, stay with it , look longer term and you'll be marching in again before you know it, just maybe not this year. Patience gentlemen. You've only had 20 years of on and off success it could be worse, a lot lot worse.

Give over, grandad. When Flanagan left Wigan to go to Wests you were hopping about in your zimmer telling everyone what a loss it was to the club and how well he was playing. Indeed, it was you who brought to our attention his first grade NRL game (I remember because I followed the link). Now, you might want to deny any or all of this but the fact remains that you said it. Stop being so tedious you fool.



And what?

We start slow and weve lost a couple of games by the odd point that we could easily have pinched in previous years.

Without robes and without us suddenly clicking highly likely we will get beaten up badly in the next few games.

Our recruitment and retention of players for the last few years has been mediocre.

Im not sure how much better a different coach could do with squad on current form.

We do have some great talent and we will find form as we try to peak later in the year.

At the top of our game were still a match for the Wigan Leeds and Wire in one off.

We've lost a game by 2 points, another by 1 point both against gf pretenders and drawn a game. Had we took the 6 points from those we would sit top of the league. Granted we're not playing platinum rugby but who in the competition is?

Its form, its sport.

So come on mouth. Where is my post re Flanagan?

However here is a classic from 2009.

Am I right in thinking that KP was here before Daniel Anderson and when Anderson came he was shown the door, only to return when Daniel left.

If he is running the show now it's no wonder were in dire straits. He will never ever make a first team coach.

Good grief, you expect me to trawl a few hundred thousand pages because I'm so [idesperate[/i to prove a heavyweight intellectual such as yourself wrong? If you can't accept what are the facts fine. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it, grandad.





You realise this says more about you than anything else? I mean, either you go out of your way to keep extensive archives of what people write or you're prepared to spend heaven knows how long thumbing through long-defunct threads if it will bring satisfaction in a message board debate about [uA GAME[/u. Do you have any idea how [uCRAZY[/u that sounds? At night do you shuffle into bed with the missus and entertain her with heroic tales of message board valour?

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Oh dear God...

We need to be playing well and beating good sides starting in August, not now - we need only to be ticking over at a fraction of our capabilies and avoiding serious injury at the moment and that's exactly what we're doing. We need to win another 10 or 11 league games over the rest of the season to have exactly the same run at becoming "champions" as anyone else does and would do that easily if [iI[/i'd been signed to replace Jammer up front given the strength of our squad compared to the appalling standards of most of the rest of the league. I've said it before - I'd be very worried indeed if we were winning and looking good every week at this stage of the season. If Wigan and Warrington and whoever else want to expend their energies fighting for a pointless top spot then let them. A loss to Hull in March? Meh. Who cares frankly?

As much as I am enjoying your misery at the moment, I must say I will not be betting against you to be there or there abouts come the end of the season.

It's quite easy. Use the search facility. Type in Rogues Gallery as the author, and Flanagan as the keyword.

However using "Mugwump" and "talking tripe" causes the computer to overload.

Quote ="Rogues Gallery"It's quite easy. Use the search facility. Type in Rogues Gallery as the author, and Flanagan as the keyword. However using "Mugwump" and "talking tripe" causes the computer to overload. '" Rogues I don't think you're really in a position to be doing this after you having repeated failed to respond to multiple requests to back-up your out-raged comments: viewtopic.php?f=21&t=521232 good for the goose and all that hey, you best leave this one alone I think.

Quote ="Rogues Gallery"It's quite easy. Use the search facility. Type in Rogues Gallery as the author, and Flanagan as the keyword. However using "Mugwump" and "talking tripe" causes the computer to overload. '" Rogues I don't think you're really in a position to be doing this after you having repeated failed to respond to multiple requests to back-up your out-raged comments: viewtopic.php?f=21&t=521232 good for the goose and all that hey, you best leave this one alone I think.

Quote ="Paul Youane"Rogues I don't think you're really in a position to be doing this after you having repeated failed to respond to multiple requests to back-up your out-raged comments: viewtopic.php?f=21&t=521232 good for the goose and all that hey, you best leave this one alone I think.'" Did your mate from America not tell you what I said?

Quote ="Paul Youane"Rogues I don't think you're really in a position to be doing this after you having repeated failed to respond to multiple requests to back-up your out-raged comments: viewtopic.php?f=21&t=521232 good for the goose and all that hey, you best leave this one alone I think.'" Did your mate from America not tell you what I said?