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| Quote ="Bigredwarrior"Sean Long interim coach.'"
That'll do it then, might as well bring back the wasters Mcrea or Millward
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| Sad day for many St's fans I'd have thought, but sentimentality doesn't move the club forward.
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| What's Paul Anderson doing these days?
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| I thought Cunningham had to go, but that doesn't mean I don't see this as a sad day. He was an absolute hero of mine in his playing days - the best hooker ever to grace the Saints No 9 shirt. Thoroughly deserving of his statue. I feel real sadness that it's ended like this.
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| It is a decision that had to be made without any more delay! sadly we do not live in the land of make believe, not every player in rugby league can become a coach, it takes more than being a good player, and the club can't keep sending people upstairs or having ambassador roles.
Is there really a Board of Directors all financing the club or one man and the loan from Hong Kong? signings seem to show that finance is not what it should be for me.
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| He might make a good coach, but it was too soon for him at Saints.
When we had Powell in charge at Leeds in the early 00's, it was too soon. He went away, learned his trade and look at him now. Cunningham might do the same.
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| Just hope Long doesn't pump players with drugs like he did at Hull.
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| I think it's a sad day for the club but a decision that needed to be done. It's not just the fact we don't win many these days buy it's the rugby we play. I'm not going ott here when I say we are probably the most boring club in English pro rugby. I hate watching us these days, it's just so so boring.
I still feel sad for KC tho as he's been at the club a long long time and he's still a legend in my eyes.
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| KC needs to go away, learn his trade at a lower level then look again for an opening if he has the desire for it. I fear it's not a role for him either short or more longer term. Sad day but in short he should have gone a while ago.
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| He should never have been given the job and the time away at another club would have done him the world of good.
Sad day but a return is not off the cards, and possibly not have inherited one of the worst saints sides i can remember in a long time and also have better finances available upon his return
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| Should the back room staff of gone too?
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| While Cunningham is the one who has been sacrificed. I feel the blame for this has to fall at the hands of the clubs senior management.
Saints have been excellent in their player academy set up, however they have been woefully inadequate in making long term provision to develop future coaches in house.
KC was thrown in at the deep end. I recollect saying when he was appointed that we needed to be patient and not expect miracles. I suspect the experience has been somewhat humbling for KC as he took the job feeling very confident in his own ability. However that has proven not to be the case. At times recently i got the impression he had realised that he was in way over his head, but was trying to battle through it.
I hope KC can take a step back like Powell did , take on a lower championship role and then work his way through the system. In 5 to 10 years time he might become a top line coach.
From Saints point of view i hope they learn that you cant just stick a playing legend behind a desk and expect them to produce coaching miracles. Coaches are made not born.
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| Quote ="theblondebomber"Should the back room staff of gone too?'"
Who would coach us over easter?
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| Quote ="theblondebomber"Should the back room staff of gone too?'"
'Of'? You mean 'have'?
In my view this is one of the poorest aspects to today. No way should Long and Lolesi still be in post and the very fact that they are suggests to me that the next appointment will be a safe, insular thinking one, more intent on protecting the positions of the few rather than the clear out everyone knows we really need. Why not just put Derek Traynor in charge for the interim?
I said from day 1 that Keiron was never a coach and he isn't. That doesn't mean I don't still hold him in the highest regard from his legacy as a player but the person responsible for this whole bloody mess is McManus. His sheer obstinacy is becoming the biggest barrier to this Club ever becoming successful again and he's riding on the back of his, albeit undoubted, achievement with the Stadium. He needs to re-evaluate how he does his business because I for one am becoming well cheesed off with his arrogant, self satisfied, better than thou approach. His record in appointing coaches is, with only a couple of exceptions, bloody awful and if anyone else in his organisation demonstrated that repeated lack of competence and kept doing it he'd fire them.
There's an oft used saying in business circles in that 'there's nothing more dangerous than the man who thinks he's good at something, yet quite plainly isn't'.
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| I am voting for Saddened to replace KC.
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| Sts should be on the phone to the likes of Wayne Bennett/Gus Gould to identify the next Maguire/Robinson. After the success they've had on becoming head coaches in the NRL (and Brown seems to be doing an OK job on a shoestring budget at the Knights), a head coach gig in SL might be seen as a genuine stepping stone to the NRL. As opposed to the past when most Aussie coaches were of the failed variety.
If you want entertainment BTW, the Walker brothers at Ipswich would be the way to go.
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| surely Tim sheens can not want to stay in the championship ? contender
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| Quote ="Allez"'Of'? You mean 'have'?
In my view this is one of the poorest aspects to today. No way should Long and Lolesi still be in post and the very fact that they are suggests to me that the next appointment will be a safe, insular thinking one, more intent on protecting the positions of the few rather than the clear out everyone knows we really need. Why not just put Derek Traynor in charge for the interim?
I said from day 1 that Keiron was never a coach and he isn't. That doesn't mean I don't still hold him in the highest regard from his legacy as a player but the person responsible for this whole bloody mess is McManus. His sheer obstinacy is becoming the biggest barrier to this Club ever becoming successful again and he's riding on the back of his, albeit undoubted, achievement with the Stadium. He needs to re-evaluate how he does his business because I for one am becoming well cheesed off with his arrogant, self satisfied, better than thou approach. His record in appointing coaches is, with only a couple of exceptions, bloody awful and if anyone else in his organisation demonstrated that repeated lack of competence and kept doing it he'd fire them.
There's an oft used saying in business circles in that 'there's nothing more dangerous than the man who thinks he's good at something, yet quite plainly isn't'.'"
You still have Cunningham era players/staff in place,they all wore the shirt with respect.Cunningham has a statue.I can see what your saying,just come out and say it.
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| Quote ="atomic"You still have Cunningham era players/staff in place,they all wore the shirt with respect.Cunningham has a statue.I can see what your saying,just come out and say it.'"
What?? I have said it. Clearly.
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| Quote ="St pete"I think it's a sad day for the club but a decision that needed to be done. It's not just the fact we don't win many these days buy it's the rugby we play. I'm not going ott here when I say we are probably the most boring club in English pro rugby. I hate watching us these days, it's just so so boring.
I still feel sad for KC tho as he's been at the club a long long time and he's still a legend in my eyes.'"
What did I tell ya
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| Quote ="Allez"'Of'? You mean 'have'?
In my view this is one of the poorest aspects to today. No way should Long and Lolesi still be in post and the very fact that they are suggests to me that the next appointment will be a safe, insular thinking one, more intent on protecting the positions of the few rather than the clear out everyone knows we really need. Why not just put Derek Traynor in charge for the interim?
I said from day 1 that Keiron was never a coach and he isn't. That doesn't mean I don't still hold him in the highest regard from his legacy as a player but the person responsible for this whole bloody mess is McManus. His sheer obstinacy is becoming the biggest barrier to this Club ever becoming successful again and he's riding on the back of his, albeit undoubted, achievement with the Stadium. He needs to re-evaluate how he does his business because I for one am becoming well cheesed off with his arrogant, self satisfied, better than thou approach. His record in appointing coaches is, with only a couple of exceptions, bloody awful and if anyone else in his organisation demonstrated that repeated lack of competence and kept doing it he'd fire them.
There's an oft used saying in business circles in that 'there's nothing more dangerous than the man who thinks he's good at something, yet quite plainly isn't'.'"
Could ov been worse (see what I did there?)
I think you're doing Eammon a massive disservice if you think the only thing he achieved is the new stadium. Look a bit further back to the fact that he saved the club from certain extinction and took us to being the most successful club of the super league era. For long periods he was bankrolling the club from his own pocket while we were losing money hand over fist. Clearly we're in a bad position currently but slagging off the man who is responsible for the fact the club even exists is a bit harsh. He's a very successful business man and has made a huge amount of money, quite a bit more than either of us I suspect, so he clearly is good at something.
I've worked in a lot of businesses for a long time and I've never heard anyone use your oft used saying.
Personally, while I wanted KC out I'm not happy with who's currently in charge and I think the fact that they've left it like that means that they can appoint someone if the right person comes forward; I'd be surprised if they wait until the end of the season.
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| Quote ="Harry Pinner"Could ov been worse (see what I did there?)
I think you're doing Eammon a massive disservice if you think the only thing he achieved is the new stadium. Look a bit further back to the fact that he saved the club from certain extinction and took us to being the most successful club of the super league era. For long periods he was bankrolling the club from his own pocket while we were losing money hand over fist. Clearly we're in a bad position currently but slagging off the man who is responsible for the fact the club even exists is a bit harsh. He's a very successful business man and has made a huge amount of money, quite a bit more than either of us I suspect, so he clearly is good at something.
I've worked in a lot of businesses for a long time and I've never heard anyone use your oft used saying.
Personally, while I wanted KC out I'm not happy with who's currently in charge and I think the fact that they've left it like that means that they can appoint someone if the right person comes forward; I'd be surprised if they wait until the end of the season.'"
Definitely spotted it .
I agree with everything you've said about Eamonn's [upast[/u achievements but, whilst they are stellar, it doesn't give him the right to be afforded endless latitude for the numerous cock ups he's made with coaches. You could also argue that he hasn't covered himself in glory with the way the club interacts with fans and that was part of my point about him 'appearing' to come across as rather aloof and arrogant. I'd argue that business is is strength (as do you) but that the environment he's now operating in demands something very different. Sure he's a finance man, sure he's got acumen but can he run a rugby Club? It's different IMO and he has to be as accountable in his position as he's made KC in his. Otherwise what kind of culture is that?
I am not happy with the current setup either but I'd rather go with that than rush an appointment and risk it being another wrong one. Hats off to EM for at least being willng to take his time.
Anyway, I have moved on from the whole KC thing as it's done. I am just focusing on getting a surprise and walloping that shower on Friday
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| After reading up on, and watching clips of, I think we should chuck the money at the Walker brothers. Some of their footy is brilliant.
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| Quote ="Hawkandro"After reading up on, and watching clips of, I think we should chuck the money at the Walker brothers. Some of their footy is brilliant.'"
You'd have no regrets.
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