Im very dissapointed a 600 mile round trip plus hotel for that. we made to many mistakes, and the kicking well less said about that the better. Why didnt potter tell someone else to have a kick I thought Gidley kicks? as saddened seems to be I also do not rate potter never wanted him in the first place, would very much like to see the back of him.

End to end sets aren't intense games, the most intense games we've had over recent years have been against Leeds and none of them have been end to end.



If you can't play against a set defence then I'd say your skillset isn't good enough.

Perhaps Gidley wasn't fit enough to do the goal kicking? No point risking setting his injury back really.

And if we were to see the back of Potter who would you have to replace him?

Potter has been brought in as a squad builder as well as a coach. He needs time to seek out the best potential in our academy and elsewhere. We are in a transitional period, yet somehow top of the league and in the semi of the cup, with our 2nd and 3rd props long term injured, our main 7 is probably out for the season and our academy lads are picking up a few injuries, all this and we can look down from the top of the table on every other team in the league. Crisis, what crisis?

How do you think that Japanese fella feels! His was 6000!

Can't agree with that mate. Granted, Unfortunately I'm no longer in a position to make my assumptions having watched every game these days, but from what I've seen the matches lost by Saints (and Leeds) this year have been down to poor performances and not due to the improved play and intensity of the opposition.

For me that goes for Super League over all this season. Hate to have a go at our great game but the quality (and exitement) so far this year just hasn't done it for me I'm afraid.

Agree with this, i think its been a gash year so far. We have seen a few good uns on TV over the last couple of weeks, but before these close encounters its been dross. And ofcourse saints havent been red hot slick micks all year

I don't know where McClennan get's the intensity thing from either. I think the standards have genuinely got worse. No doubt the RFL will change the rules again next year when the Aussies and Kiwis whoop us at the end of the year though, so don't worry.

Exactly, the RFL will do an assessment on the future of the game, the diagnosis will be "hey we are playing Rugby like the Aussies did 5 years ago".
And the Aussies are now playing fast open Rugby, lets change the game in mid season..............then we will be ready for em.

And they'll still have half backs that can break down set defences and we still won't.

The RFL had the right idea by slowing the PTB area down. Unfortunately they went too far and have made it too slow this season. They need to find a balance with it.

That'll happen once the players adapt to it.

It doesn't help that we were one of the main exponents of the dummy half running game.

The referee's have got to adapt too.

Have you watched any NRL this season (not trying to be patronising btw)? It's fast, but it's also well controlled at the PTB which makes it difficult to break defences down.

tbh I think we are lucky that the play the ball has slowed down because when teams get a fast play the ball they kill us.

I honstly think this current team would struggle if our game was as fast as it was 2yrs ago.

I think we seem to lack pace and fitness this year.

No, bit I know that's been said.

I just worry that if we speed it back up to where it was we'll never create the players with the ability to beat the Aussies.

I understand that and maybe we've seen a few teething problems with the ruling this year that will hopefully be resolved next year, but I think the game has gone backwards this year and the slow PTB speed is the main reason IMO.



Don't agree with that to be honest. I think we're as fit if not fitter than any team in the comp.

We're used to a quicker game as fans and don't have the players that can deal with the change so far.

Once they adapt, and tactics change, then I'm pretty sure it'll change.

not saying we are not fit but we don't seem to be able to pick the pace up when needed but we are defo a slow team.

When team get quick play the balls is when we struggle and end up giving pens away.

Maybe our lack of pace is reason why we not great to watch anymore.

Maybe it's just me that think we are looking tired and very jaded.

I think we have to be careful that the game is going the wrong way and games become to defensive. I'm already seeing games where teams after 5 drives kick the ball dead and defend off the 20 metre line. This means the skill levels are dropping as teams just drive it in with the forwards and if they don't gain enough ground then all the half backs do is boot it down field.

A quicker play the ball gives the half backs an extra couple of seconds to look at options, perhaps the solution is for the offense to line up in a deeper position instead of the flat attack adopted by all the teams.

Think the CC game at Headingley you reached top form tbh.

I'd say Wigan at home, Hudds away, Hull at home and Quins away were are only good performances this year.

Your squad is too small, you started the season with 18 senior players (that's including Eastmond) and yes your youngsters have come in and done a good job, Ashurst and Wheeler have been major sucsesses, but if you got alot of injuries then your team would look very depleted. This has happened and you're starting to lose against teams like Wakey and Salford. But it's better to have your rough patch now then play off time.

Don't agree. I have been fed up with tag rugby for the past five or so years. Every went on about the likes of Mickey Higham being a good player because he could scoot quick 10 metres - perhaps the most banal and boring aspect to rugby league.

Now the defensive aspect of the game is being given a fair crack, sides are beginning to realise they need a bit more then one man quick ptb's.

I do agree with an earlier post of yours that the game has been poorer this season.

Think your right its a pretty good post mate...we're going through the same stage however IMO that the NRL went through 5 years ago when it became a boreathon....SL is pretty much like that IMO at the moment.....ive never enjoyed watching RL less in 20 years of watching the game this year, yet when you watch a game like last weeks orgin, you can see how great the game is.

The problem with SL at the moment is like the NRL was, teams have tightened up the ruck area meaning that you cant get easy breaks from running acting half previously one of the most used ways of making a break. Hence teams are trying to find new ways to break defences yet the majority of players in SL are currently very bland and void of ideas in this department as they have relied on dummy half running and offloads for so long....Thus the majority of time you only get tries now is when mistakes are made by the opposition, ie/ missed tackle/ dropped ball etc. which makes the game very bland and very boring.

Hopefully we will move to an NRL style of play and follow them further as our game develops in the next few years, where we will see a return to deeper or varied running lines, dummy runners, inventive switches etc. as we used to see in the past as players and coaches will realise they need to up their skill levels and re-discover classic rugby league attacking moves.

What are these classic moves you fondly recall?

Yer that was awsome boy oh boy was he happy though, thats what you call a supporter.