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| Quote ="LFC Saint"Hahahahahahahahah were so crap weve won the same amount of trophies than Wire in the last 3 years hahahah infact we have won more.'"
LFC Saint answer the questions.
For a club of your size and tradition. Why have you not been to Wembley since 2008? A jammy gf thanks to flower. An ethos of
poor, dull as dishwater rugby. Crap poundstretcher signings. The most famous thing about saints is fat micheal mcintyre/LMS having a doze everytime there is a drop out.
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| Quote ="Gazwire"LFC Saint answer the questions.
For a club of your size and tradition. Why have you not been to Wembley since 2008? A jammy gf thanks to flower. An ethos of mickey
poor, dull as dishwater rugby. Crap poundstretcher signings. The most famous thing about saints is fat micheal mcintyre/LMS having a doze everytime there is a drop out.'"
Because we have under achieved yet we have still won more than your lot in the last 3 years. Your the only club constantly paying large transfer fees yet you win nothing its embarrasing. You keep saying you have a fantastic club and squad you failed to even make the top 4 the last 2 years.
Forget trophies or how poor we play id take cunningham being our coach for the next 10 years and us win nothing than be assosiated with your club and sh*tty town. Absolutely vile fans and your whole town stinks of people walking round thinking there of higher class. Truth is its a shi##ole. Enjoy your night mate, i am.
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| Quote ="Judder Man"Tony Smith has admitted you are not a big team until you have won the "big one", we've got to 10 grand finals, won the big one be it good, bad or ugly on 5 occasions. You don't have any shoes to wear because zero wins on 3 occasions is a 100% failure rate a funny situation to be in from our perspective.'"
I guess 5/5 losses v Leeds is statistically the same- 100%.. Yes you won in 2006 but times change. I'm not worried about the cuban missile crisis anymore, (it was still 8 years after we won!). You're rubbish now, face it.
I'm gutted about tonight. Joking aside, I do hope you get everything sorted at Saints again. It's great to have a bit of rivalry. I'm sure you'll be a better side next year your new signings. That prop looks good and Matty Smith would be good with an emerging Fages.
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| Quote ="LFC Saint"Because we have under achieved yet we have still won more than your lot in the last 3 years. Your the only club constantly paying large transfer fees yet you win nothing its embarrasing. You keep saying you have a fantastic club and squad you failed to even make the top 4 the last 2 years.
Forget trophies or how poor we play id take cunningham being our coach for the next 10 years and us win nothing than be assosiated with your club and sh*tty town. Absolutely vile fans and your whole town stinks of people walking round thinking there of higher class. Truth is its a shi##ole. Enjoy your night mate, i am.'"
Never mind take, I'd love it if Cunningham was at your caravan for 10 years. And you never paid large transfer fees? (Mcmanaus). And yes our fans stink of higher class because they use deodorant.
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| Quote ="Gazwire"I guess 5/5 losses v Leeds is statistically the same- 100%.. Yes you won in 2006 but times change. I'm not worried about the cuban missile crisis anymore, (it was still 8 years after we won!). You're rubbish now, face it.
I'm gutted about tonight. Joking aside, I do hope you get everything sorted at Saints again. It's great to have a bit of rivalry. I'm sure you'll be a better side next year your new signings. That prop looks good and Matty Smith would be good with an emerging Fages.'"
I don't think you've got a yardstick to measure against at the moment, our Leeds losses knocked us down to a 40% success rate (GF), its strange that the form teams this year in Hull and Warrington both have zero success rate and 100% failure as far as the ultimate yardstick of super league champions is concerned.
Our problem here at Saints is that we have not had a decent pair of half backs working together for the past 9 years, hence the lack of creativity and open play. We are "grinders" but will always be competitive especially as the standard of super league falls year by year.
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| As a Wigan fan I hope this thread beats the Joints voluntary tackle thread way back in 2002!!!!!
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| Quote ="Gazwire"Never mind take, I'd love it if Cunningham was at your caravan for 10 years. And you never paid large transfer fees? (Mcmanaus). And yes our fans stink of higher class because they use deodorant.'"
When we paid large transfer fees we won titles.
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| There's always fun and games with the Wire and Stains Mr Frisk.
They're a big club with great success, but some on here, not all, like to belittle the Wire. They've taken the out of us for a good few years, perhaps rightly so, but the shoe is on the other foot now. If they hadn't taken the so much, then we'd be ok. They're still trying to take the even though they've done f all bar the jammy GF win in recent years. We don't try and laugh at other clubs misfortunes like they did at our club. But the tide is turning. They were laughing at us when we attempted to buy Sandow. The day after they announced Dominique Peyroux. The thing is, I have no problem with any club signing anyone, but, if you're taking the , then expect it back. And that Sandow Peyroux thing was perfect. Saints fans taking the as usual saying no chance of signing Sandow and what how could we, the 'minnows'' Warrington sign someone like that. We got him and the day after they signed Peyroux. It was funny in Wire quarters. We're generally good fans and will always give credit where it's due. But when someone takes the for years, it's lovely when when things are reversed.
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| Quote ="LFC Saint"When we paid large transfer fees we won titles.'"
So why did someone on here ask who had paid for our transfers in a derogatory way?
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| Quote ="Judder Man"Not much of a disappointment for the majority of saints fans, our team has been playing well below par for 2 seasons now and going back 10 weeks we shouldn't have been anywhere near the play offs.
Warrington were better than us last night but wasn't a convincing win due to the controversial aspects in the game.
It will be a welcome change to have a new name on the super league trophy but if Warrington lose another final it will be far more devastating than us losing a semi that realistically was a game too far for us.'"
How true.
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| Quote ="St pete"Not sure on our youth development?
Off the top of my head - lomax, Makinson, Percival, swift, Jamie Foster, Lee gaskell, Jamie Ellis, Chris dean, Wellington, ashworth, Jamie Ellis, Eastmond, James Graham, James Roby, Keiron Cunningham, Paul Wellens, Greenwood, Thompson, Wheeler, Richards, Knowles, emm it, Josh Jones, savilo, dixon, Ashurst, tyrer, Armstrong
That's just off top my head so we not done bad'"
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| In peace St Helens fans. With all the stuff, you're still a massive club. Things aren't as good as they should be for club like Saints, but I'm sure things will turn around. As much as I don't like to say it/admit it, you have a great knack of sorting things out. You'll be there and there abouts next year, like most years competing at the very top. Good luck (but not too much luck!) In recruiting for next year. We need all our top sides in rl to be attracting the best in talent to get the punters in, and get the focus back on the best game in the world.
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| I haven't been on this site for a while. Thought I'd come on to see what people thought of the GF and then came across this thread.
The start was bizarre with Wolfs fans trying to drum up some sort of fiction about how our fans are sore losers. As someone said above: sore winners is far more appropriate.
The thread then turned inot some embarassing dick measuring contest about who the bigger club is, but I think it can be summed up as follows:
- the wolfs fans would trade us for our trophy cabinet in a heartbeat.
- the wolfs have a better team than us currently.
I can't see much else of any relevance, although tonight shows how bottleless this Warrington club are. Fair play to get to both finals, but we know only too well that it means absolutely nothing unless you win.
This was their chance. A patched up Wigan team that were there for the taking and they were played off the park in my view. Wigan rolled down field with ease and it was only their lack of a final pass that let the wolfs off the hook.
I'm glad we didn't get there because we would have been murdered by that Wigan team.
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| Quote ="Gazwire"There's always fun and games with the Wire and Stains Mr Frisk.
They're a big club with great success, but some on here, not all, like to belittle the Wire. They've taken the mickey out of us for a good few years, perhaps rightly so, but the shoe is on the other foot now. If they hadn't taken the mickey so much, then we'd be ok. They're still trying to take the mickey even though they've done f all bar the jammy GF win in recent years. We don't try and laugh at other clubs misfortunes like they did at our club. But the tide is turning. They were laughing at us when we attempted to buy Sandow. The day after they announced Dominique Peyroux. The thing is, I have no problem with any club signing anyone, but, if you're taking the mickey, then expect it back. And that Sandow Peyroux thing was perfect. Saints fans taking the mickey as usual saying no chance of signing Sandow and what how could we, the 'minnows'' Warrington sign someone like that. We got him and the day after they signed Peyroux. It was funny in Wire quarters. We're generally good fans and will always give credit where it's due. But when someone takes the mickey for years, it's lovely when when things are reversed.'"
But the shoe isn't on the other foot. That one "jammy" night in 2014 is still one more Championship than your club has won in 60 years. The likes of Featherstone Halifax, Dewsbury, Oldham have all won it more recently. Swinton have fallen from grace enough you send your fringe players to play there, and they still have won a Championship almost a decade more recently than Warrington! If it is that easy to get lucky and win a Grand Final, I can't help but wonder how Warrington haven't managed it yet.
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| Quote ="Saint #1"But the shoe isn't on the other foot. That one "jammy" night in 2014 is still one more Championship than your club has won in 60 years. The likes of Featherstone Halifax, Dewsbury, Oldham have all won it more recently. Swinton have fallen from grace enough you send your fringe players to play there, and they still have won a Championship almost a decade more recently than Warrington! If it is that easy to get lucky and win a Grand Final, I can't help but wonder how Warrington haven't managed it yet.'"
maybe we are just unlucky.... you mention Dewsbury's win in 73....
of course you knew Wires topped the league that year but the champions were decided by a play off which EIGHTH place Dewsbury won.... worthy champions I'm sure you'll agree.....
the following year we won the play off competition but that year the champions tag was awarded to the league leaders... unlucky I guess.....
we then were pipped in 1994 losing out to points difference to Wigan. so still quite close even in the 90's which was our most desperate decade...
quite rightly we are open to ridicule for not winning the particular version of the championship trophy for 62 years.....
but the desperation to try and label us a small club that has won nothing is quite sad.
our honours list is still quite impressive I'm guessing our overall trophy count is less than Wigans leeds and Saints and then better than the rest.
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| Comparisons are meaningless as the time frame is arbitrary.
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| Quote ="the flying biscuit"our honours list is still quite impressive I'm guessing our overall trophy count is less than Wigans leeds and Saints and then better than the rest.'"
In terms of championships, Halifax, Oldham, Hull, Hull KR, Salford, Swinton, Bradford, Huddersfield, Leeds, Wigan and St.Helens have all won more.
Yourselves and Widnes are both on 3 each. You have won 1 more challenge cup than Widnes although they have a World club challenge win to their name...mind you, you did win the 1955-56 Independent Television Floodlit Trophy and nobody can take that away from you.
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| Quote ="Gazwire"It might be 2008.... wrong date, was it the last time saints were at wembley.
Saints fans, a question? You have 2 choices:
Option 1:
Watch a dull as dishwater side making no finals, with a statue outside representing the static qualities
of a certain clubs ethos.
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Side in the CC final, ll shield and GF final playing proper entertaining rl.
I'm not going to mention the playing rota of both clubs:
Option 1: watching paint dry
Option 2: not watching paint dry.
I know saints are the biggest club v us at the mo, but you're the gift that keeps giving. For years you've laughed at us but now the shoe is on the other foot.
Face it, at this point in time your side and set up is inferior. I would expect a club of your standing to reverse this, but it ain't happening at the moment. That's what I love about the Wire v Saints rivalry- You used to take the p big time, but it's not so funny now that you're crap.'"
You have been playing entertaining rugby lately?? Must have missed that. Even we made more line breaks than you last week and scored the only expansive try of the game and we are, as you say, dull as dishwater.
Mind you, last night WAS truly entertaining there's always next year
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| Quote ="Twentyman"In terms of championships, Halifax, Oldham, Hull, Hull KR, Salford, Swinton, Bradford, Huddersfield, Leeds, Wigan and St.Helens have all won more.
Yourselves and Widnes are both on 3 each. You have won 1 more challenge cup than Widnes although they have a World club challenge win to their name...mind you, you did win the 1955-56 Independent Television Floodlit Trophy and nobody can take that away from you.'"
wow you managed to read the bit where I said our [u=#FF0000overall[/u trophy count is better than most bar wigan leeds and saints and decided just to count championships..
awesome
and Widnes have a won a world club challenge you say, you'd think they would mention that to us every once in a while.....still its not like they had to wait 103 years to win a league title...!!! that would be just embarrassing surely...
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| Quote ="the flying biscuit"wow you managed to read the bit where I said our [u=#FF0000overall[/u trophy count is better than most bar wigan leeds and saints and decided just to count championships..
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and Widnes have a won a world club challenge you say, you'd think they would mention that to us every once in a while.....still its not like they had to wait 103 years to win a league title...!!! that would be just embarrassing surely...'"
Championships are what matter more than anything. Winning the challenge cup is just brilliant, but it doesn't make you the best team in the land. Winning the world club challenge is pretty special too. Obviously you've never seen your team involved in the main one, but that feeling as a fan is incredible when your team win it. Ask your Widnes friends about it.
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| Jesus christ these warrington fans are taking a good hiding on here. Keep it going.
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| Quote ="Judder Man"Have you got any particular year in mind for when it matters.'"
I commented earlier in this thread that it was bizarre now it's surreal . I can just about understand wires gloating and glossing over the inconsistencies in last week's match. After all they won and made the GF.
Now they have lost, and to be totally honest only looked like managing tries through barge overs or on the back of penalties, and they are still here.
On the basis of their last two "big" games they are at the stage were their attack really does make Saints look like the entertainers in comparison.
I suspect the wire board must be a grim place at the moment if you want to take refuge here - tried the Wigan board yet?
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| Just to add, our greatest rivals won on Saturday, yet not one as come on here gloating and rubbing our noses in it. Credit to them.
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| Quote ="Gazwire"Now and again you hear fans from Leeds Utd, Sheffield Wednesday and Forest insisting they're still big clubs, but only in their minds. You can harp Saints fans as much as you like about your history, and the same as Widnes, but like it or not,over the past 6/7 years, the stats will point to us being the bigger club.
The perception of the size of a club changes over time eg 1954 when we had the 104000 attendance, I'd say we were the bigger club. From the start of the SL era up until 2006 you were undoubtedly the bigger club. But since 2009 onwards after we won the cc, the pendulum has swung. If your still the bigger club, ask yourself; why have we had more success (bar a jammy gf), why have the better players been attracted to our club and not yours eg Sandow v Peyroux, your average attendances have gradually fallen and ours have generally gone up over that period surpassing yours. Over the past 6/7 years, give me one reason why you believe your club to be bigger than us bar the jammy GF win?
(By the way, I do have a lot of respect for your SL era successes.)'"
This massive club that couldn't make the 8's
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The perception of the size of a club changes over time eg 1954 when we had the 104000 attendance, I'd say we were the bigger club. From the start of the SL era up until 2006 you were undoubtedly the bigger club. But since 2009 onwards after we won the cc, the pendulum has swung. If your still the bigger club, ask yourself; why have we had more success (bar a jammy gf), why have the better players been attracted to our club and not yours eg Sandow v Peyroux, your average attendances have gradually fallen and ours have generally gone up over that period surpassing yours. Over the past 6/7 years, give me one reason why you believe your club to be bigger than us bar the jammy GF win?
(By the way, I do have a lot of respect for your SL era successes.)'"
This massive club that couldn't make the 8's. Also lost out to Saints for Barbs and Bentley
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