Nice mature ending there.

Hate to correct your tangent, but Leeds have little relevance as to who finishes top, as I originally said, and 2 consecutive fifth place finishes confirms that.

Now we're in the playoffs, it's a whole different matter, but I'm glad you got that off your chest.

Graham, Price, Eastmond out of Saints

I don't that Micky Mac is a thug, he plays the game hard, plays aggressive and these types every now and then will cross the line every now and then.

We'd kill for a player with his aggression at the moment. We've had our fair share of dirty/tough players over the years with the likes of sonny Nickle, Vila, hooper, cooper etc but teams need these players.

Vila that was the name I was looking for but had to settle on Hooper who was another one who could do the dirty when needed.

Vila was dirty and dumb with it ,some of the penalties he gave away used to annoy the hell out of me.

It is annoying but every team needs agressive forwards.

Vila was no where near as psycho as Davidson. He had that glazed over look in his eyes and you really thought he could take someone's head off.

yeah and he was crap as well

I like aggressive forwards but I prefer it when they are good too ala Adrian Morley

I seem to remember Vila one time, I'm not even sure if it was in attack or defence, launching his head like a cannonball at an opponent's knees.

He had a spell of running in with his head and a spell of running in with his knees up.

He could be devastating when he was interested, especially on the inside ball off Goulding.

He sure could. Consistancy was a problem, as were injuries.
On his day, though, he could mix it with the best of them.
I wouldn't mind him pulling on the Vee again, despite his draw backs.

That guy was a moron. I remember when Adrian Morley got sent off for decked him at Headingley. It was pleasing on so many levels.

We really need one of those players now though. It makes me want to vomit when Wane comes out with these comments about how his players will protect little Sam because there are so many trying to hurt him, yet three or four of the biggest thugs in the league are Wigan players. (Hock, McIllorum, Frodo and Lima). We've got no one who will stand up to that physical aggression like we always used to have and we get bullied.

What we need is a young Shane Webke

I'd prefer a sonny Nickle. He was big, fast, agressive, never gave up and hard as nails.

He was also 100% turd.

Sadly he was also a penalty machine, now Webcke or Tallis in the redvee .. yes please

In his second stint with us he was very well behaved; until the robbie mears incident, which was awful.

I think he did mature a bit yes. Not many good enforcers around these days sadly, people some times think aggression means you have to be dirty too, McIlorum is just a second rate thug who'll spend his career in Roby's shadow, he's not even the best 9 at the pie dome, that honour goes to a guy who is aggressive but not imo dirty , Tommy L

McIlorum was deservedly sent off and will now get a ban. It was stupid and foolish and cost us any chance of the win. Hopefully he will now learn his lesson...

I've only just seen the challenge. Any defence of it is completely laughable, any tackles like that should be red carded without question.

you dont get much worse than a late high swinging arm when the player your 'attacking' has their back turned. Cowards tackle.

He's making a habit of blindsiding people. He punched Elima from the side too, a similar angle to the much berated Magennis punch on Tuson.

Late, high, pre-meditated, dangerous, cowardly or all of the above as i prefer.
Got lucky by not breaking Boof's jaw.

Has been given a Grade C which basically means "reckless" and 1-3 games.
Nice to see the RFL saw the bright side of it and not the cocked arm and major impact with the forearm and Boof's face. There was impact on the shoulder first that i didnt see very well????!

Perry was also a huge moron dropping on Lima, riled them up nice and good however. Silly and surprised he didnt get a letter telling him off.

Dudson also got away with a cheap one on LMS when he dumped him head first after LMS had offloaded. Oh and factor in St Sam of Tomkins left swing at Jones and the officials missed a few.

Reckless? It could only been more premeditated had he been punching him repeatedly in the face!