I hope Wilkin's shorts come with a pocket so that he can store some bog roll to wipe all the young players s for the rest of the season.

Being a team is about supporting your mates. When those mates are untested in battle then it is up to those who are tested to watch their backs otherwise they don't learn and they put the rest of their mates at risk.

I totally agree that being a team is about helping your mates and not wanting to let your mates down.

I think that's what maguire brought to Wigan last year and one of Nathan browns main thing is getting players to play for each other.

I coach a team and I'm massive on working for your mates.

Indeed, and the senior players are aware that they let the inexperienced members of the team down. Listen to Wello on the latest Saints podcast, for example, or read his interview in the St Helens Star.

I won't bother listening to wello on the pod cast after seeing his interview on sky about Royce being sacked.

In his interview he came across all sad that Royce had gone

he's a good actor

No, of course you won't. It wouldn't be convenient for your argument.


He was one of the players who went to visit Royce on Sunday evening, to thank him for making him captain of his home town club. I very much doubt he was acting.

And remember, two players came to Saints in part because Royce was in charge here. Laffranchi is one of them, he's on the podcast too, and he says he is upset because of his relationship with Royce.

He guided himself to a seat in the stand not to mention a fat contract with Catalans

According to a couple of the inexperienced lads he (and Jammer) gave a lot of advice.

Your correct, wello dud thank him for making him captain of his home town club and rightly so he should thank him as its a great honour for any local lad to captain his town but I feel you don't know all the ins and outs of the last week and half running up to Royce being sacked.

And of course you do.

Not too many posts back it was all about the performance and style of rugby. Now there is something going on behind the scenes that I don't know about but you do? C'mon Pete. Even for you that's a bit obvious!

Yes I do know what went on behind the scenes over the last week and half and to be honest I'm glad it went on or we'd still have thus clueless clown coaching the team.

To say that KC could lose his god like status at saints by helping out mike rush is just laughable and it's nothing like murphy being remembered as a bad coach and not great player.

Alex was the fulltime coach, KC has been asked to assist rush as we are in massive trouble. I'd say KC might have lost his god like status if he'd refused to help the club he's loved since he was born.

Your just trying to deflect future Blame on KC and rush if we lose as you was a Royce Simmons fan because you liked his first interview.


How you can be so blind to fact that Royce was the worst coaching appomitnent this club have made for the past 20 years is unreal. You called potter a cardboard cut out but all I've seen for past year and half is a clueless man stood in the back ground of KP and looking very very confused.

Well, you know what, so do I. I know someone who knows the players well. So there.


You think KC is immune to the fickleness of fans? You are either very niaive or very stupid.




Now you're being childish again. I'm concerned for KC actually. I rather think Mr Big has heaped a whole load of pressure on to him that could ruin his reputation if it all goes wrong. And it could all go very wrong.


Because I don't think he was the worst coaching appointment and it is in no way a fact. It's not a question of being blind; it's a question of disagreeing with your opinion. Mr Big sacked Millward. Just because he sacks coaches doesn't mean the coaches are poor. They just don't fit with what he wants for the club. After all, he sacked Purtill too and Purtill was around under Potter.

I don't know anyone who knows the players, I just know them personally



Providing you "buddy" does know what went on then you'll see why I'm not going to listen to the wello podcast.

No way will KC lose any respect with the fans for what he's done for us on the pitch, no way at all!

McManus sacked millward for off the fieid reasons and not for on the fieid reasons. In fact when and who was the last coach to be sacked for poor results?

You reckon? Hold that thought if things go wrong!


Does anyone actually know the real reason for Millward being sacked? Personally my theory is that McManus didn't like him. That would be all that was necessary for McManus to sack someone.

Was Eric Hughes sacked for results? I can't remember.

I think Ian millward thought he'd become bigger than the club and was untouchable with the things he was doing. Players was also starting to get embarrassed by some of the field stuff.

I think it was Eric Hughes that was last coach sacked for results. Hughes has tough job at the time and is nice fella.

From what Ian Millward said once in an article in the trade press, the problem was solely between him and McManus.


Ditto for Royce Simmons.

The problem was Millward had gone completely off the rails.

Is that fact or supposition? And if it is fact, what exactly does 'off the rails' mean? Just asking as I don't know on either count.

Again, is that fact or supposition?

The fact he didn't continue with his unfair dismissal claim suggest he didn't have much of a fight.

Well, I [icould [/isay it's a fact. And you [icould [/isay it's unsubstantiated without me spelling it out, in an open, public forum, in a country with some of the most draconian freedom of speech laws in the world.

I am sure we can safely assume that I ask within the context of an Internet forum, ie not silly gossip mongering but rather a claim that could be substantiated objectively by a third party given the appropriate circumstances.

I really have no idea what happened, which is why I am asking, because I didn't follow Saints at that time. I watched some matches on TV and heard my family go on and on about it but that's it.

Under British law the truth is no defence.

Surely Millwards downfall was swearing at the Warrington press officer. In the end it was the thin end of a wedge that had built over time. Read Scully's book, he told him to his face that he did not like the way he treated some of our kids.

Millwards is the most successful Saints coach, I also think sacking him when we did was a mistake. For me if the club had just quitely built a case with no suspension, then I think we would have got at least one more trophy that year. We where top of the league, in the semi of the cup and going great. I'm not against the sacking, just the timing. No-one not even our best ever coach is above the club or the chairman.

But Millward was certainly not sacked for results, unless you can be sacked for having results that were too good.