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| Quote ="St pete"i thought clough was unreal when he came on.'"
Clough has been immense all year, thank god he's rumoured to have re-signed. Turning into a very, very important player for us.
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| Hopefully Josh Perry will be Graham's minder next season, Graham has been on the receiving end of quite a lot of head tackles this year, he dosn't get much protection from the refs, its as though they make a special allowance for tackling graham.
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| He is setting a very high standard for himself and pushing it above and beyond every year. Quite phenomenal.
RE Clough, any word on a re-signing because there was a nasty rumour that he was off to Penrith.
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| Quote ="Ande"He is setting a very high standard for himself and pushing it above and beyond every year. Quite phenomenal.
RE Clough, any word on a re-signing because there was a nasty rumour that he was off to Penrith.'"
If saints doin't keep clough it's a disgrace.
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| If you look on the Wire site, there's a James Graham thread. Everyone agrees that he's a great player.
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| I dont think there are many fans out there who would say he is a rubbish RL player, I am sure there are many opposition fans who believe he is indeed a FGB, but thats part N parcel of the game as a supporter, I spent my whole supporting career booing players who I knew were quality, giving them greif and informing them they are weak and useless, when infact I knew they were beasts and rather good at their trade, so much so they wound me up and wished my team had that player.
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| I think Graham has fantastic skill but someone needs to get a grip of him and sort his head out.
Yes he has passion, but is that passion best displayed to the RL world and beyond by F'ing and jeffing at the referee, throwing away his GF medal, trying to get back in the dressing room before Wigan were presented with the trophy???
This is not a good advert for our Great Game.
IMHO he's becoming a liability and the joke of the Rugby League world (and not in a funny way either)
Saints need to harness that passion and make it work and Graham could actually reach a whole new level.
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| Quote ="woolstonbabe"I think Graham has fantastic skill but someone needs to get a grip of him and sort his head out.
Yes he has passion, but is that passion best displayed to the RL world and beyond by F'ing and jeffing at the referee, throwing away his GF medal, trying to get back in the dressing room before Wigan were presented with the trophy???
This is not a good advert for our Great Game.
IMHO he's becoming a liability and the joke of the Rugby League world (and not in a funny way either)
Saints need to harness that passion and make it work and Graham could actually reach a whole new level.'"
It might not always come across in the right way but it just shows how much he cares. As for watching Wigan lift a trophy? why should he have to watch if he doesnt want too ( I certainly didnt stay to watch ) and who the hell wants to keep a losers medal? the only reason I could think of is to stick it on view to provide the motivation to go one better next time.
His rant at the ref was wrong and he needs to cut it out.
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| Poor performance last night IMO.
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| I think Graham is an awesome player, and would have him in Wigan colours tomorrow! I laugh at all the opposition fans that call him names, because he just keeps on going, his engine is fantastic!! He only needs to get his temper under control and get rid of a bit of pettyness out of his game and he will be an incredible player!!! To think he is only 24? and a world beater prop, in 5/6 years when his body matures more he will be unstoppable! I know its part of his game, but he needs to make the collision more, and offload a little less, as last night he became a little predictable when taking the ball up! This is my only criticism of a player who is only going to get better!!!
Hope he doesnt go to an Aussie team, we need to see him in our game!
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| I have always thought Graham a top notch player, but I now feel he is in danger of going rapidly down hill. I worry about the matches down under this year as I think on last nights performance he will be unable to settle down as a team mate of the Wigan players and cause disroption as was reported with the Leeds players in a previous set of internationals
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| outstanding player. i think he needs to learn to control his gob tho.
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| Quote ="SAINT ANDREW"outstanding player. i think he needs to learn to control his gob tho.'"
I agree, it looks awful when he back chats.
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| Sorry as a junior coach I have to disagree with you.
We teach all children to WIN and LOSE with dignity. Our players and fans applaud the other team and spectators at the end of the match. From a very eary age we instil discipline in our players and celebrate all achievements. Saints got to the GF, Win Lose or Draw the achievement is to be celebrated.
Kyle Eastmund prevented Graham from going into the changing rooms, Obviously this youngster has been coached in the same manner as we have adopted and is a credit to your club.
My main gripe is the frequent loss of control and the vitriolic rants at the referee.
If a child swears at the referee, they get a 8 match ban, no chance of appeal. How can we tell our youngsters that the referee is above reproach whilst on the pitch if they are watching Graham disrespect the referee on a regular basis.
IMHO the way we conduct ourselves on the pitch is what places our sport above others eg. Football.
I am very saddened that dissent has started to creep into our game and the longer that Graham (And others) are allowed to get away with it the worse it is going to get with the new generation feeling it is their right to voice their views in whichever way they see fit to the man in the middle.
As I said I believe that James Graham has a lot of talent, but its not his talent that is drawing the attention its his continual paddying and foul mouthed rants.
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| Quote ="woolstonbabe"Sorry as a junior coach I have to disagree with you.
We teach all children to WIN and LOSE with dignity. Our players and fans applaud the other team and spectators at the end of the match. From a very eary age we instil discipline in our players and celebrate all achievements. Saints got to the GF, Win Lose or Draw the achievement is to be celebrated.
Kyle Eastmund prevented Graham from going into the changing rooms, Obviously this youngster has been coached in the same manner as we have adopted and is a credit to your club.
My main gripe is the frequent loss of control and the vitriolic rants at the referee.
If a child swears at the referee, they get a 8 match ban, no chance of appeal. How can we tell our youngsters that the referee is above reproach whilst on the pitch if they are watching Graham disrespect the referee on a regular basis.
IMHO the way we conduct ourselves on the pitch is what places our sport above others eg. Football.
I am very saddened that dissent has started to creep into our game and the longer that Graham (And others) are allowed to get away with it the worse it is going to get with the new generation feeling it is their right to voice their views in whichever way they see fit to the man in the middle.
As I said I believe that James Graham has a lot of talent, but its not his talent that is drawing the attention its his continual paddying and foul mouthed rants.'"
As an amateur player I understand and agree with the punishment for abusing an official and I agree it has no place in the professional game however I totally disagree with celebrating defeat. For me second is as good as last you can only have 1 winner and for me knowing that drives me on to win.
Look at the Aussies - they have the right attitude losing is NOT an achievement, I've just seen the post match interview with Braith Anasta and he rightly looked gutted.
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| Quote ="No1 Saint"As an amateur player I understand and agree with the punishment for abusing an official and I agree it has no place in the professional game however I totally disagree with celebrating defeat. For me second is as good as last you can only have 1 winner and for me knowing that drives me on to win.
Look at the Aussies - they have the right attitude losing is NOT an achievement, I've just seen the post match interview with Braith Anasta and he rightly looked gutted.'"
I retired myself on saturday mate.
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| Quote ="St pete"I agree, it looks awful when he back chats.'"
its not just the chatting to the ref for me. i cant remember who it was who knocked on last night but i remember graham throwing his arms about and moaning. its not good for the team and certainly isnt good for the young lads.
i didnt see another incident either (because i stormed off sulking hahaha) but i was told he threw his medal away.
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| Quote ="Manx Warrior"I worry about the matches down under this year as I think on last nights performance he will be unable to settle down as a team mate of the Wigan players'"
He seems to rub along with them quite happily on King Street on a Saturday night.
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| Quote ="St pete"I retired myself on saturday mate.'"
I've retired about 5 times but I'm still playing
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| Quote ="No1 Saint"I've retired about 5 times but I'm still playing
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The boots are hung up, i won't be making any comebacks.
I know we've chatted about playing years ago, how well did you know tez newton ?
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| Quote ="woolstonbabe"We teach all children to WIN and LOSE with dignity. Our players and fans applaud the other team and spectators at the end of the match. From a very eary age we instil discipline in our players and celebrate all achievements. Saints got to the GF, Win Lose or Draw the achievement is to be celebrated. '"
Competitive sport is about winning. While losing with grace is a Good Thing, celebrating a loss is a farce to be honest that crept into schools years ago and threatened to kill off competitive sport in children. Thankfully, aiming to win is returning.
However, fully agree with you about James Graham. Hopefully our new coach will have a pair and will ensure Jammer maintains his composure at all times.
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| Quote ="SAINT ANDREW"its not just the chatting to the ref for me. i cant remember who it was who knocked on last night but i remember graham throwing his arms about and moaning.'"
It was him who knocked on
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| Quote ="St pete"The boots are hung up, i won't be making any comebacks.
I know we've chatted about playing years ago, how well did you know tez newton ?'"
Played against him a fair few times and got trampled by him more than once (like plenty others). I didnt know him socially
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| Quote ="No1 Saint"Played against him a fair few times and got trampled by him more than once (like plenty others). I didnt know him socially'"
Played against him many many times and also played with him at countie level, i knew him a little off the field from playing with him at countie level.
Come as a shock hearing the sad news of last sunday.
It was bad day for me saturday tho, i hung my boots up and saints getting beat.
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| Watch the 7th min waaaaay out of order
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