Don't tell me Wheeler is injured again? He didn't look injured at the end of the Quins game.

how is this even possible? Great ex player makes terrible conditioner it seems

I agree with some other posters on this, I'm really not sure where you're coming from.

Lomax is a very good talent, but I'm not convinced he has the passing, organising or kicking game to be a top half back. He seems to be more of an elusive runner with a good step and a decent passing game. He's got safe hands and played alot of reserve rugby at full back, so I believe that is his best position.

I also disagree that it'd be a waste putting him back there as the full back spot is so pivotal particularly offensively.

Edited.

its just my opinion, but i dont think Hoffman was overly late, certainly a 50/50 call and not half as bad (or good as we used to say) as hooper's classic late shots

There was nothing wrong with Hoffman's shot on Wheeler if you go by old school rules. He was totally committed to the shot. However, I'm sure I remember it being said that you now have to go for the ball when chasing down a kicker rather than aiming for the man. So maybe it was technically a foul, but it wasn't dirty play IMO.

Shouldn't the squad have been announced by now?

2pm usually

Wigan Warriors 19 Man Squad

Sam Tomkins, Darrell Goulding, George Carmont, Pat Richards, Paul Deacon, Thomas Leuluai, Michael McIlorum, Andy Coley, Harrison Hansen, Joel Tomkins, Sean O'Loughlin, Paul Prescott, Jeff Lima, Ryan Hoffman, Brett Finch, Lee Mossop, Liam Farrell, Josh Charnley, Ben Cross.

When was the last time he made an appearence?

He was on the bench vs Bradford before we played Leeds in the cc Final, cant get a place really since Gleeson left and Charnley/Pat offering more. Hes been in most of the 19 man squads though.

Unless Charnely's fortunes chance I can't see him featuring, which is a shame for him, given his record last year. When's his contract up? If that carries on, he'll be moving for first team action somewhere. I'm suprised Widnes haven't been mentioned already.

1. Paul Wellens, 3. Michael Shenton, 4. Sia Soliola, 5. Francis Meli, 9. James Roby, 10. James Graham, 11. Tony Puletua, 12. Jon Wilkin, 14. Scott Moore, 15. Louie McCarthy-Scarsbrook, 16. Paul Clough, 18. Matty Ashurst, 19. Andrew Dixon, 20. Jonny Lomax, 22. Jamie Foster, 24. Tom Armstrong, 25. Lee Gaskell, 28. Tom Makinson, 29. Scott Hale.

1. Wellens
28. Makinson
3. Shenton
5. Meli
22. Foster
20. Lomax
25. Gaskell
10. Graham
9. Roby
15. McCarthy-Scarsbrook
4. Soliola
12. Wilkin
11. Puletua

14. Moore
16. Clough
18. Ashurst
19. Dixon

No Pryce or Wheeler.

Words fail me.

Its only because we feel he's so talented that its so frustrating, but FFS, he's been playing reserves for a month to prove his fitness. What the hell is going on with him!?

Wheeler HAS to be released. He's never shown any quality in the first team and does not deserve to be in the squad.

Even more than you usually spout.

I'd go:

Wellens
Makinson
Shenton
Meli
Foster
Gaskell
Lomax
Graham
Roby
LMS
Moore
Soliola
Wilkin

Puletua
Ashurst
Dixon
Clough


If TP doesn't start, I'd like to see Moore start for his aggression.

Why is it rubbish? Wheeler isn't contributing enough to be worthy of a contract. He has played what 6 times this year? My bet with Blobby (?) that he wouldn't do 12 games is as safe as houses.

There comes a time when a club just has to look at a player's record and make a call on it.

Unless he turns it around and plays 20+ games next year he surely cannot be given a new deal. Personally I'd be looking at offloading him now.

Because . . .



. . . is demonstrable garbage.

Why? Because he looked good in ONE game at Huddersfield and HALF a game at Wigan?

He hasn't come remotely close to establishing himself in a first team position, despite how the few fans he has remaining on here claiming he's more talented than Lomax and Eastmond.

Even if he'd looked good for 10 minutes, that's longer than never. He's frequently looked good, indeed far more often than not when he's fit.



If it wasn't for injury Wheeler would have been a first choice centre this year. Bit closer than not "remotely close".

You can converse without these exaggerations, I've seen you do it and it's far more interesting to read your rational moments.

Nobody is arguing he's a shocker for injuries, but saying things like "he's never shown any quality" and "hasn't come remotely close to establishing himself in a first team position" just smacks of toys out of the pram.

Everyone at the club knows how talented he is. If fit he'd be in the team every single week.

Thanks, saved me a job and saved Saddened being called a few swear words as well.

Call away. Are you his Mum?

Wheeler should be released. The people will be with me on that.

But all you are doing is replacing exaggeration with pedantic factuality. Two opposing ends of the scale but the real throng of my post still rings true.



Where is the evidence to back up your claims? He didn't get the 3 or 4 squad number did he? No chance of him getting into the team ahead of Meli or Shenton now, none at all.

I agree.

No it's fine. I've better things to do with my time than court controversy on an internet forum.



You may have a small minority of like minded attention seekers agree with you but the majority of people will want Wheeler to stay.