I think Warrington will have big year this season. Bought very well and have good depth in the squad. Wigan haven't played well this year but I think will come good as per usual. I can't see past those two.

I think we will struggle for top 4 this year tbh

It's a long, long, long season. Last season Leeds were fitter and more up for it than I've ever seen. By the last month of the season we were on our knees. Crawling to the finish line. Yes bully for warrington, they had a longer pre-season and have hit the ground at speed. Fast forward, say sandow picks up a knock, they're off their game and lose one, it's the end of the season and results have levelled out, they are feeling the aches far more and suddenly have an away trip to saints who have won 4 on the bounce and are hungry for blood, how do they go then?

Putting 50 on Cas when they've bent over and got the lube out in preperation for a cup final next week is neither here nor there. As always the true test will come for them when things are hard, not easy.

So Wigan are but they'll come good!
We're and we've no chance.

Go and watch netball you muppet!!!!!!!!!

More idiotic name calling on a forum. If you want to call me names, I'll see you good Friday and do it to my face mate. That's if you bother to go the games as you admit you don't go.

Wigan have better players than us. They are better coached than us and that's my reason I think they will come good mate.

Just pm me Mate about good Friday and I'll hopefully see you at Langtree. I'm not holding my breath as your a keyboard Warrior wirh no guts.

You a man or a muppet?

James Roby !

We run him into the ground so it's hard for him to be our strike player but he's a really important player for us. Take Robes and big Alex out the team and we in big trouble.

Agree robes is flogged too much too be a strike player anymore

Here we go again. THREATS. If you don't agree with me I'll see you behind the bike sheds. How old are you?

Wigan don't have better players than us.
They are definitely not better coached than us (Shaun Wane is still using McGuire's tactics from 4 years ago)

I'm sorry I called you a muppet as it seemed to offend you. Trouble is you make it hard for me not to think it.

I would be interested to see on a comparative list just who you think is better in the Wigan 17 than ours. Subjective I know, but interesting!

I don't make threats but of you call me names then you better have bottle to back it up.

Tomkins, manfradi, charnley, Gelling, sargison, Williams, flower, farrel, Tomkins amd lockers would walk into our team and the likes of Smith, mental mickey, probably would.

Wane ain't done to bad since maguire left considering the players he lost like sam Tomkins, lulu, finch, Blake Green plus others.

So Tomkins at fullback Vs Lomax. Possible given johnny's injury. Tomkins wont be the same player after his injury.
Both wingers - sorry not having that.
Brainfart Gelling. - now I know you're having a laugh. My centres are Percy and Peyroux. Turner is still better than either of theirs.
Sarginson not as good as any above.
Williams - OK
Flower.


Farrell - close but i'd rather have savelio.
J Tomkins -


O'Loughlin - you're lucky if he plays these days.

The only thing wrong with our squad is the Safety first coaching. KC should let them off the lead. All those players are so much better than they are showing at present. With Daryl Powell coaching them they would be walking through this league this year. far too much negative play making the players look nervous in possession.

Your RL ignorance knows no bounds.
Of the last 29 Wigan games O'Loughlin has played 26.
Savelio, who can't get a game is better than Farrell who is an International back row forward!!!

And you've missed Bateman who is better than any of Saints back three forwards.

Sandow is the most inconsistant player I have ever seen, he'll beat teams on his own and then the next week go anonymous, the question is when he inevitably drops form can Gidley pick up the slack, if so then it may just be their year

As a nuetral in this (and because I cant sleep) ill give my perspective:

Tompkins is clearly better than Lomax, even though both are better suited to the halves imo
Manfriedi is a hell of a player, looks a young Ryan Hall and could be in the England side a long time, Makinson Charnley is a toss up on form
Percival and Sarginson for the centres
williams over turner (obviously) and Id probably rather have smith because Walsh cant defend
Saint's front row is miles better, with Flower for Amor being the only question
Bateman and Savellio in the second row, Farrell is close and J Tomkins is the most overrated player in the league
SOL over Wilkin, hed probably be one of my favourite players if he didnt have the dirty side to his game (same for Bateman)

Wigan better backs, Saints batter pack, wigan probably just edge it
Both coaches play dire rugby, but Wane does it a lot more effectively

how did he get on in week one and week two this year then?

Week1

Zero tackle busts
Zero try assists
4 missed tackles
5.00m average gain.


Week 2

4 tackle busts
1 try assists
3 missed tackles
7.25m average gain.

I'm not sure but I think he has the worst missed tackle ratio in the whole of super league, 1 in 3 missed according to stats, thought our Luke Walsh would be worse but apparently not, he's not far off though.

Did you actually watch week 1?

Here's the match report, www.skysports.com/rugby-league/l ... gton/44353

Here's the match report, www.skysports.com/rugby-league/l ... gton/44353

Quote ="Fantastic Mr Cat"Here's the match report, www.skysports.com/rugby-league/l ... gton/44353'" Dont get me wrong he is a good player and I beleive came 3rd in the dally m a couple of years ago, but he never maintains that form and when his pack gets beaten he gets frustrated and becomes anonymous

Quote ="Fantastic Mr Cat"Here's the match report, www.skysports.com/rugby-league/l ... gton/44353'" Dont get me wrong he is a good player and I beleive came 3rd in the dally m a couple of years ago, but he never maintains that form and when his pack gets beaten he gets frustrated and becomes anonymous

Currently, that's a fair assessment!

Saints have a better front row by a distance but Wigan's back row is comfortably better then Saints if everyone is fit (or if Williams is fit at the weekend which will allow O'Loughlin to move back to loose forward). I'd therefore put any pack battle as just about even.

As for the backs, on current personnel I'd take ours but both sides are missing big players (well player in our case if Williams plays). As a Wigan fan I'd feel much more nervous playing a Saints side with Turner at centre and Burns/Fages at stand off then I would Turner at 6 so it'll be interesting to see what Cunningham goes for.

Both sides haven't hit top gear yet but I'm still massively looking forward to the game.

I was at Leeds & I saw Sandow score our 1st try & then he did great kick which directly led to our game winning try.

Manfradi tore us apart today and must be closing in on England spot. You'd take swifty and Tommy "I can't beat a man" Makinson lol

Sargison showed shraron mcdonnell how to play fullback and he's not even a fullback.

You'd take Peyroux and Turner over Gelling who ripped us apart today proves your a muppet.

Your living in a Saints blinkered world mate. This saints team is pour.

Manfredi on current form walks an England place. He's doing things I've not seen one of our wingers do in a long time and we've had some great ones. He is a freak of nature with his strength, pace and footwork.

I'm clearly biased as a Wigan fan but his form is exciting for both us and England.

Sandow may not be the best tackler, he wasn't bought for that but at least he doesn't go and try and get an obstruction like Walsh did today for smiths try. Walsh couldn't lace sandows boots. To be fair he hasn't been very consistent
1st game quality
2nd game good
3rd game good
4th game quality
5th game good
6th game quality
7th game quality

Like you see really inconsistent!!!!

Swifty isn't bad but will never be good enough to play for England but Tommy can't beat a man to save his life. You can kick to him all day and you'll never need worry about him doing you damage. He's got bags of effort and heart but he's not and never will be top winger.