They all do I'd bet. Professional sportsmen on the whole love to read about their work, just as most people would.

It's why I personally would never criticise a player on here, only constructively analyse their performance levels. We don't want to be destroying their confidence.

Why are you giving this forum some influence and casting the blame on there performance. There are divided opinions here where the majority are saying Lomax is not a Scrum Half amd Makinson is not a Full Back. Yet the very people in majority come game time are behind Lomax and Makinson 100%, to imply that supporters on here effect their performances is just stupid, when in reality nearly all fans support the shirt and whoever wears it at the time.

I think they said 'blame the stubborn Saints fans who moan ...' rather than only fans on here. Very good point.

I do find us 'Saints Fans' to be the most pesimistic of any fans. On here or on Redvee or pretty much any forum. Even in the years of finals but no GF win we were pretty negative.

I'm not saying we should change, but it does takes a certain type of player to be able to play at Saints and it's not so much about skill it's about having a kind of arrogance that it does not matter what the fans think.

It's not a recent occurance, in the past we the fans have knocked the confidence of players like Sullivan. We also do it to opposition players too. But you need to be thick skinned to play for saints.

Most players read this board and if they don't a family member or friend will

The only player Saints fans can be accused of having a direct impact on for me is Eastmond. He was openly boo'd at matches. If the players come on here and see things they don't want to see.. Tough! They are grown men! if i'm performing poor at work im told about it!

I nearly choked on the glass of water I was drinking at the same time as reading this.

And a chuckle from me as well, I,m assuming Wellens is excluded from this statement.

The main issue for me is organisational...

Lomax isnt an organisational half back, more off the cuff, taking the line on is where he is better. Playing alongisde Gaskell, who also doesnt seem to have the ability to organise the team effectively is where we are coming up short. People have slated Hohaia as a half back, but off the ball he organises the line well when he is at 6.

Until Lomax or Gaskell can learn to organise an attacking line, them as a pairing will not work imo

But they have worked in the past - very well infact. I think they could get things going again, but perhaps they need a run of games when the pack gives them an easier ride.

Unfortunatley, whilst you may speculate that the quality of superleague has declined, there's not many teams that are going to be a pushover this year. Bradford have got some pretty good forwards in Scruton,Manufukoa (sp),Sidlow,Walker and Whitehead. It won't be an easy day out.

Maybe because he picks up on the booing and moaning 'the fans' give him when he makes a mistake? Duh

at this point im willing to let him and gaskell reestablish their partnership for a few games

That im afraid is totall rubbish!

Wigan fans wanted Richards out after a season, giving him stick when he made a clanger etc.... 2 years later he was MOS. Instead of these boards the club should put meetings on where we can discuss there tragic displays. Let the individuals explain why they cant be botherd taking on the line, when a family have paid more than £50 get in.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAeCfr6-HMU He'd make the perfect full back.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAeCfr6-HMU He'd make the perfect full back.

I don't understand the link between the video and your comment. For probably 75% of those clips he was either playing half-back or on the wing.

Unless you're being sarcastic and in which case you've made your point perfectly?

The support play on most of them try's is fantastic, on the shoulder support and shows bursts of speed. Them are Jonny's best bits. No great passing moves, no fantastic passing etc... He is a full back.

I see what you're saying about the support play, but that video isn't evidence of him being the "perfect full back," seeing as very few of the clips actually show him playing full back, that's my point.

Not seen much of this so far this season.

You might say the same about a lot of players "what's happened too"

Look at Roby in those clips - the one thing we can see on many of those is the opposition are on the back foot giving quick play-the-balls and quick movement, hence Roby being involved a lot. So in conclusion again it points to the pack for me not giving our flair players room to work.

It is not just Lomax, I remember not long ago when Wheeler, Lomax, Ashurst ,Dixon, Magennis, Gaskell and Makinson oh yes we still had Eastmond at the time; I thought then the future looked very bright for the Saints. Four of those players are no longer with us and the other four have shown a great deal of promise. I still have a lot of faith in Lomax but I think his confidence is low at the present; with a few good performances from the saints pack he will bounce back. Wheeler is a real talent; if only he could avoid injury he would be one of the first names on the sheet. Makinson is a bit of an enigma to me, he certainly has pace but lacks the basic ability to beat an opponent. Gaskell is a player who shows good skills in some departments but at the present he lacks experience and/or a rugby brain, this manifests itself when he has the ball in hand and takes the wrong option on too many occasions. I feel this season could be the make or break for these players. If the Saints youth do not begin to take up the mantle we will become known as the Salford feeder club.

Ashe is another one. Not seen much of him and not been overly impressed when I've seen him.

If Salford want to take our 'not quite good enoughs' then let them. These lads deserve the chance to try there hand elsewhere.

It's always tricky to create top class players.

When at Saints Smith was seen as not in the running when compared to Eastmond, Leon, Lomax.

But just 2 years down the line he was in high demand.

Very difficult to predict who will come good and who will not.