Do you not think there are extenuating circumstances surrounding us shipping 40 points? Or having to 'fly all over the place'?

Like a sellotaped together, mostly injured, rather inexperienced line up?

I don't believe there was lack of effort, just lack of fuel.

Sorry mate but anyway you try and dress it, shenton missed a poor one on one tackle against a old player deemed not good enough at saints. If Shenton is fatigued then he's got serious fitness problems for a centre at his age!

Nice 'Daily Mail' sensationalising with the 'old guy deemed not good enough stuff'!!

As I've said, it's harsh to be bashing individual mistakes when we're doing well to get 17 bodies out there in the vee, but whatever floats your boat.

I'm proud of 'em.

No. Royce identified the warning signs after the match last week but he can't force the players to defend on the day. All those players, no matter what age, were capable of defence. They all learn how to tackle. They missed tackles all over the shop and Wello's positioning was largely terrible.

The only player on that pitch I excuse is Nathan Ashe and that's only because he had to have his knee strapped up further during the match, suggesting he was in pain, which would have made tackling more difficult. The rest don't get a bye on this. They were poor.

However, I didn't expect us to do much in attack because there was no way Wilkin was going to perform well with a rookie halfback at his side as he isn't a halfback himself.

So there are no extenuating circumstances.

Really?

And you're not injured unless you're visibly strapped?

And there's no way Wello came back to early to help out with the appalling injury situation?

Ok then.

Royce Out!

I'm also very proud of them but still think some sloppy defence cost us at times.

You're getting silly now, so I think I will leave this. We'll have to agree to disagree.

As for Royce out ... far from it. I think he's done wonders with them given the hand he has been dealt. He can't force his team to defend, only give them the tools to use if they choose to.

So is there only me who came away with a mediocum of pride tonight?

We have cobbled together a side, with out 6th and 8th choice half backs, lost two players mid game, and still every player ran their blood to water. Yes, we missed stupid tackles, and yes we made stupid errors. But add Puletua and either Pryce, Lomax or Wheeler (and heavens to betsy, Eastmond) to that side, and it looks infinitely better.

We have a lot of kids starting to stand up, Magennis is putting in some bell ringing hits, Foster looks like he could beak the line on every return.

A couple of bodies back and the out look is not so bleak.

NEVER write off the Saints.

Very proud of the young players. And Roby. But the defensive effort was still poor. And some of the senior players were shocking defensively. I would have been bursting with pride had they kept Hudds to about 20 points. But they didn't. So they were marginally better than Harlequins.

Not sure which part of it is silly.

You did say there were no extenuating circumstances.

You did say only Ashe is forgiven missed tackles and poor positioning because he had strapping.

But I suspect agreeing to disagree is the way to go.

Gin and tonic?

I'd prefer a Southern Comfort please. A tripple. Neat. Thx.

I know you have injuries and as Eddie pointed out once or twice, players missing but surely the likes of;-
Wellans
Meli
Soliola
Shenton
Gardner
Foster
Graham
Roby
Perry
Wilkin
Mcarthy-Scarsbrook

Surely these players would get in when you have a fully fit squad?

Granted you had no halfbacks but IMO your pack was well beaten today and any halfbacks may have stuggled

Where were all the Saints fans who traveled over to Huddersfield tonight at full time ? I'll tell you where...Still inside the ground applauding their team off the field. True supporters to a man. Good luck for the rest of the season and well done.

Well said sir.

Eddie was banging on about us having ten players out and I'm not sure if thas true or not.

What I can say, we had wheeler, Pryce, lomax, Tony p, Moore, clough, flannery missing from our starting 17 and maybe eastmond.

That's 8 missing from our starting 17.

Flannery as well.

It's not about numbers today. We've had a whole half season with several out each week. The effect that has on the players cannot be underestimated. It stops them being rested, stops them being rotated properly and most importantly causes massive confusion and disorganisation in the defensive and attacking patterns. One of the most crucial things this season has been our lack of consistency in the half back positions.

Very true. It's not just the numbers but the fact players ain't getting the rest periods they need during the game, players playing with injuries and training must be a real mess with no fit players making it hard to prepare for the games.

Absolutely not kidder, in fact everyone that travelled over knowing we were on a hiding to nothing felt the same.

Quote ="Ski"So is there only me who came away with a mediocum of pride tonight? We have cobbled together a side, with out 6th and 8th choice half backs, lost two players mid game, and still every player ran their blood to water. Yes, we missed stupid tackles, and yes we made stupid errors. But add Puletua and either Pryce, Lomax or Wheeler (and heavens to betsy, Eastmond) to that side, and it looks infinitely better. We have a lot of kids starting to stand up, Magennis is putting in some bell ringing hits, Foster looks like he could beak the line on every return. A couple of bodies back and the out look is not so bleak. NEVER write off the Saints.'" Absolutely not kidder, in fact everyone that travelled over knowing we were on a hiding to nothing felt the same. www.redvee.net/forums/showthread ... erspective

Quote ="Ski"So is there only me who came away with a mediocum of pride tonight? We have cobbled together a side, with out 6th and 8th choice half backs, lost two players mid game, and still every player ran their blood to water. Yes, we missed stupid tackles, and yes we made stupid errors. But add Puletua and either Pryce, Lomax or Wheeler (and heavens to betsy, Eastmond) to that side, and it looks infinitely better. We have a lot of kids starting to stand up, Magennis is putting in some bell ringing hits, Foster looks like he could beak the line on every return. A couple of bodies back and the out look is not so bleak. NEVER write off the Saints.'" Absolutely not kidder, in fact everyone that travelled over knowing we were on a hiding to nothing felt the same. www.redvee.net/forums/showthread ... erspective

Wellans
Meli
Shenton
Soliola
Gardener
Foster
Graham
Roby
Perry
Mcarthy-Scarsbrook
Wilkin

Which of these 11 would have missed out if the 10 that were missing would definitely have played according to Eddie Hemmings?

Just imagine what the score would have been had we had all our injured players in the team tonight.

Just a little mention for hale who went pretty well on his debut. He held his own and looked solid enough after being called up late from flannery dropping out.

No halfbacks. I'm getting sick of posting that tonight. NO BLOODY HALFBACKS.

It's like driving an F1 car without a steering wheel. It could be problematic.

I'm not so sure mate. After tonight I would have said you were lacking at Full Back, wings, centres, Props, 2nd rowers and loose forward.