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| Quote ="SaintsFan"edited for accuracy
I think I'd add Huddersfield to the list of potential Grand Final winners. I think they're dark horses. Not sure I'd write off Hull either, given that Longy and wotsit will be back this weekend. In fact - and I say this while stating I am in no way employed by Sky - I think this season's playoffs are probably the most competitive so far.'"
Hudds are the dark horses, they have the players and are on top form at the moment. Hull have git no chance, with longy or without longy they won't make the final.
Thats something else we agree on, we are getting pretty close now
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| Quote ="St pete"Hudds are the dark horses, they have the players and are on top form at the moment. Hull have git no chance, with longy or without longy they won't make the final.
Thats something else we agree on, we are getting pretty close now
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You two must get it on unless you already have partners.
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| Quote ="cjhatesunion"You two must get it on unless you already have partners.
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I'm married but that's never stopped me before
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| Quote ="cjhatesunion"You two must get it on unless you already have partners.
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Unless he looks like Wello or Wilkin, he has no hope!
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"Unless he looks like Wello or Wilkin, he has no hope!
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I'm better looking then wilkin!!!!
If she don't look like katy perry or angelina jolie then she's no chance!
She does wear thongs so that's positive!
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| Quote ="Rob Wire"I don't buy into this end of an era thing, its like with saints at the min where you havn't won a trophy for around 2 years. Does that mean that your no longer a team that has a chance in the play-offs because you havn't won a trophy for a while ? No it doesn't it just means that a couple of other clubs have improved in recent years to a similar standard to what Saints and Leeds were a few years ago.
At wembley on saturday we played like the Saints and Leeds of old where it looked like our defence was almost impossible to break and when we attacked we made the most of our posession, you will never keep a dominant team together forever as it will eventually dispand due to age, new coaches looking for a different type of player and also player beying forced to retire through injury.
Both saints and Leeds need a few players but nothing more, both of you have a decent youth setup which is bearing fruit at Saints at the min. I don't call it the end of an era for a team that loses in a final for the first time in a while, its just a shock to the system and its telling you that you have work to do in training.
Its not as easy to win a trophy these days compared to what it used to like be when 2 teams dominated the silverware, now you have 2 more teams that are capable of winning the grand final.
If your capable of winning a grand final then their is no such thing as a team has come to the end of its era, anyone of Saints, Leeds, Warrington or Wigan can win at Old Trafford so its just about who turns up with their A game throughout the play offs and in the final itself.'"
Excellent post mate, you've got it bang on the head
Unlike some others who clearly don't know their ar5e from their elbow
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| Quote ="Rob Wire"No it doesn't it just means that a couple of other clubs have improved in recent years to a similar standard to what Saints and Leeds were a few years ago.'"
Er, what's this about 'a few years ago'? Leeds won the Grand Final for a third time last season to our endless misery and only pipped us to the hubcap in the last game. And who is in second in the league at present? That would be us. Granted, not for long, given your easier match at the weekend. But still. Less of the 'a few years ago' bollox.
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| They need to replace Peacock.
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| Quote ="Billinge_Lump"They need to replace Peacock.'"
I didn't understand their reasoning in renewing all those contracts, Peacock, Senior, Buderus, etc for next year.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"I didn't understand their reasoning in renewing all those contracts, Peacock, Senior, Buderus, etc for next year.'"
I understood Peacock and Buderus' contract being renewed. Peacock has another year in him easy as does Buderus when used in a 2 hooker role. Senior has been caught out numerous times this year in defence but has shown alot going forward. For me, they've resigned the name there.
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| Quote ="Sam Buca"I understood Peacock and Buderus' contract being renewed. Peacock has another year in him easy as does Buderus when used in a 2 hooker role. Senior has been caught out numerous times this year in defence but has shown alot going forward. For me, they've resigned the name there.'"
I would of thought it wise to cut them off one by one, rather than risk having to replace many at once.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"I disagree 100% with this statement. Over the last six years we have undoubtedly been the most successful team. Leeds were pretty much nowhere six years ago. It was only four years ago that we swept the board and lost only four matches by 4, 3, 2, 1 points. So I think you are way off base on this claim. And indeed I would count us reaching the Grand Final four times on the trot as being a measure of success even though we have lost it for the last three years. It is indicative of our standard of play that during those four visits to the Grand Final we also won the Challenge Cup on three consecutive occasions and the hubcap on four consecutive occasions. We also won the World Clup Championship in 2007. I don't see how you can claim Leeds have been the most successful team over the last six years.'"
Over the past six years Leeds have won four Super League titles and we have won one. That's pretty emphatic from where I'm stood.
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| Quote ="Offside Monkey"I would of thought it wise to cut them off one by one, rather than risk having to replace many at once.'"
Totally agree. Thats why many will see the 2012 as a transition period. Alot of the OOC players at the end of 2011 (and there is quite a few) could well leave. It all depends on what Brian McDermott & Hetherington sees fit - are they willing to replace them all at once and wait to gel the team during 2012 and push on in 2013 or will they just start replacing them year by year (which should've been started at the end of this year)
I'd like to have thought GH had signed them up for extra years to secure their services if no one else is available, but then demand (however big or small) a fee for them moving on at the end of the current services - but it doesn't look that way.
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| Oh forgot to add that we have only won four Grand Finals ourselves since 1998, which is twelve years.
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| Does SaintsFan ever take his Saints club shop special glasses off?
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| Quote ="Sam Buca"Totally agree. Thats why many will see the 2012 as a transition period.'"
Our current transitional period has meant us using a lot of youngsters, who really got thrown in the deep end. What sort of standard are your current lot that would be called upon, should you lose a handful of old guard at once?
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Her glasses (don't want you falling out).
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| Quote ="McClennan"Oh forgot to add that we have only won four Grand Finals ourselves since 1998, which is twelve years.'"
We have complimented these with many a cup victory, though (7 since '96?).
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| Quote ="Offside Monkey"Our current transitional period has meant us using a lot of youngsters, who really got thrown in the deep end. What sort of standard are your current lot that would be called upon, should you lose a handful of old guard at once?
Her glasses (don't want you falling out).'"
You've done well with your youngsters this year. Ours wont fair aswell. Ambler & Clarkson have shown they can perform to the high standard that is required. Pitts should do well when given the chance. Anyone else that i can see stepping up? Probably only McShane and of course we've got BJB to come back. I suppose a good amount of cap space would come available if Buderus and Senior both left at the end of next term so that could leave room bring someone decent in, same goes for Eastwood this year.
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| Quote ="Offside Monkey"We have complimented these with many a cup victory, though (7 since '96?).'"
Anyone can win the cup e.g. Castleford, Featherstone, Warrington. Only the best teams win the league e.g. Saints, Leeds, Hull KR.
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| Quote ="McClennan"Anyone can win the cup e.g. Castleford, Featherstone, Warrington. Only the best teams win the league e.g. Saints, Leeds, Hull KR.'"
And we've had more than our fair share of both.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"I didn't understand their reasoning in renewing all those contracts, Peacock, Senior, Buderus, etc for next year.'"
Peacock and Buderus I can, Senior I can't.
Time is starting to tell on Peacock, his powers are waning, and he won't be carrying the Leeds pack forward like he has done over the last few years much longer. He was a big miss in that final.
I've never rated Diskin as better than average, so I can see why Buderus is being resigned. McShane doesn't look ready for a full time role as yet, he needs more time in the first team without being relied upon.
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| But it wasn't just those three.
Keith Senior, Kylie Leuluai, Scott Donald, Matt Diskin, Danny Buderus, Ali Lauitiiti and Ryan Bailey all resigned.
Lot's of miles on the clock especially when you add Peacock.
That's why I put etc. originally. You made me do some research, stopped me painting the bathroom ceiling, so you have got me in trouble with her who must be obeyed.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"But it wasn't just those three.
Keith Senior, Kylie Leuluai,[delScott Donald[/del, Matt Diskin, Danny Buderus, Ali Lauitiiti and Ryan Bailey all resigned.
Lot's of miles on the clock especially when you add Peacock.
That's why I put etc. originally. You made me do some research, stopped me painting the bathroom ceiling, so you have got me in trouble with her who must be obeyed.
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Kylie still has a few years left, just needs to find his top form. As with Disko and Ali. I was delighted to hear that the TMFMISL had resigned
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"Over the last six years we have undoubtedly been the most successful team. Leeds were pretty much nowhere six years ago. '"
Pretty much true if you ignore us topping the table by 9 points, scoring over 1000 points during the season to finish with a difference of almost +600, topping the league from the 1st game to the last, beating you 70 - 0 at Headingley. Oh, and beating Bradford in the grand final. Apart from that, pretty much nowhere six years ago.
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| Quote ="Clearwing"Pretty much true if you ignore us topping the table by 9 points, scoring over 1000 points during the season to finish with a difference of almost +600, topping the league from the 1st game to the last, beating you 70 - 0 at Headingley. Oh, and beating Bradford in the grand final. Apart from that, pretty much nowhere six years ago.'"
You won't get her to concede she was wrong with facts, her integrity won't allow it.
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