Ricky Bibey won trophies in his time with Saints yet is a truely awful rugbyleague player.

I'm not saying those guys are but just that you can be a poor player in the right place at the right time and win things.

As for them players I don't think many people over here could make a qualified judgment on Hall, Kearney, L'Estrange etc because we've seen very little of them. I fancy Bradford to do better then last year by the way but your outside backs will again hold you back.

I think that's fair comment, but any players who could get in the Manly starting 17 in 2008 must have something quality about them. Manly were awesome in 2008, mainly down to Orford's links with the two hookers, not just Matt Balin.

With that in mind, I'd like to see :

1. Wellens
24. Lomax
3. Gidley
21. Wheeler
5. Meli
6. Pryce
7. Eastmond
10. Graham
9. Cunningham
11. Puletua
13. Flannery
12. Wilkin
14. Roby

8. Fozzard
16. Moore
17. Clough
23. Fa'asavalu

Id start with Fozz and Puletua on the bench for impact. Other than that id go along with that team.
If Potter picks Flannery at centre I might go into hibernation for a few months.

If Flannery plays centre I will join you in hibernation. Plus, that would leave Wheeler on the wing where he can't make an impact, he needs to be at centre or preferably stand-off where he is involved in the game.

Dave Hadfield today reports that Soliola is out "for at least a month".

Hope not, we've only partially seen him for 35 minutes.

3-4 weeks on the saints website

ade gardner

I'll raise you double CC winner Rickey Bibey!